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There has been bragging about how the Isle of Man Government has managed to secure a huge amount of reserves over the years (it could do little else considering the VAT bonanza that went on for so long undetected - there is only so much money that can be thrown at such as IRIS, MEA and other such £millionaire making projects) The Isle of Man Government should use the reserves, not impose further charges on the public. The reason they will not use the reserves is because it is seen as their (along with all the Government paid workers) money...,,their salaries for the future.....their lump sum retirement wedge........their pension pot......flowing in like the tide until the very day, way in the future, when they die. Some of the sums being paid to retiring civil servants and other Government paid workers are obscene. There is no way these people have earned anything like those sums. The only way to stop this outrageous plundering of the reserves in a democracy is to vote in people who will have the balls to do something about it. At present there are just a handful of people who have the decency to stand up to what is happening.

I wouldn't be surprised if these guys fully endorsed Margaret Thatcher's poll tax too.

The next Legislative Council election is March 2015. Dudley BUTT. Robert Philip BRAIDWOOD, Edward Alan CROWE and Alexander Frank DOWNIE are current encumbents on those cosy seats. I don't think they'll want to get off the gravy train that easily. Mind you, each one of them is a toilet taxer. Only the lad Turner on LegCo had the balls to listen to the people of the Isle of Man. His decency might cost him another 5 years on a guaranteed £1000 a week but at least he will be able to hold his head up high when he walks down Strand Street.

I'm not sure if the Hansard vote has been posted, but here it is anyway: Source - Hansard, Tynwald 19th February 2014 page 1058: That the Sewerage Charge Order 2014 be approved [sD 2014/0040] In the Keys – Ayes 16, Noes 8 FOR Mr Quirk Mr Ronan Mr Crookall Mr Anderson Mr Bell Mr Singer Mr Quayle Mr Teare Mr Cregeen Mr Houghton Mr Robertshaw Mr Shimmin Mr Cretney Mr Watterson Mr Skelly Mr Gawne AGAINST Mr Hall Mr Karran Mr Cannan Mr Henderson Mrs Beecroft Mrs Cannell Mr Thomas The Speaker In the Council Ayes 8, Noes 1 FOR Mr Corkish Mr Wild Mr Crowe Mr Downie The Lord Bishop Mr Butt Mr Braidwood Mr Coleman AGAINST Mr Turner Chris Thomas MHK had tried for an amendment to have the matter looked at by committee but that was thrown out. The voting was as above (ie those for the amendment were those against the tax):

(Confirmation of vote) TYNWALD COURT, WEDNESDAY, 19th FEBRUARY 2014 ________________________________________________________________________ 6. Sewerage Act 1999 Sewerage Charge Order 2014 approved The Chairman of the Water and Sewerage Authority to move: That the Sewerage Charge Order 2014 be approved . [sD 2014/0040] Hansard (temporary rolling Hansard link only) Starts page 124, vote at page 153 The vote: The usual suspects and Skelly and Quayle got well rewarded. Seriously, what would happen if these people were voted out 2016?

The bishop has to keep in with the establishment gang. The position of Bishop as a member of the Legislative Council, let alone a voting member, are numbered. The weak and largely irrelevant excuse for there to be a Bishop is because he is a member of Tynwald. Kick him off. Now. Seriously, what would be the consequences? I genuinely ask someone to provide any argument, doesn't even have to be convincing, why the Bishop is still a member of the Legislative Council.

Excellent post. Say £500 fine for allowing dog excrement in a public place. That's 10 people's tax right away. Up our road I reckon 100 people's tax could easily be covered. Enforcing the existing laws would soon put a stop to these dirty, filthy, disgusting, selfish people. But I would gladly pay £50 a year if it meant our streets and pavements were clear of dog shite.

I think it is this one, posted to the Positive Action Group, scroll down a few posts: Facebook Interestingthat someone has said that members of Tynwald read reading through the petition picking out fake names and finding themselves a reason to dismiss the petition. I wonder how many of the 6,000+ names will be voting for them come the general election in 2016?

He'll be well rewarded for his loyalty. Let's see what the ignorant effer[1] has to say to the motion. [1]Not intended as an ignorant insult. The remark is based on personal experience with him as part of his parliamentary business.

Amongst all the forumesque dialogue in this thread, there has been some quality legislation criticism and scrutinising, that would put at least 75% of our paid and pensioned sleepy Legislative Council to utter shame. And I would say it also puts quite a few of our elected members to shame too.

That's a good post Roger. It looks to me that you and quite a few others on this forum (hi slinky, see you lurking there) and other members of the public are interested enough and capable enough to look at what is going on with our society and our parliament. Many of you are able to look through and understand legislation and intelligently question it. Well thought out suggestions also often emerge too. So why the fuck do we pay a bench of (in the main) sleepy fogeys at £1000 a week each to sit on the Legislative Council? Fucking why?

And who were the faceless civil servants hiding behind the dispensable politicians and people's representatives?

That chap from the Treasury who got an MBE? Surely if he was any good at his job he would have noticed there was something mighty fishy going on with what looked like a big opulent fuck off glass fronted opera house being built down at Pulrose. There were endless road closures too over Pulrose Bridge (there should have just been one) - a sure sign that things were wildly adrift. People were too keen making fuck-ups and getting handsomely paid diving into the bottomless pit of cash that the taxpayers would pay for one day. Freedom to Fuck-up, Fleece and then Fuck off (apologies to sensitive ears for the quasi-Tourettes outburst) eta: oh, and Enron had just been all over the World's newspapers. Fuck me there are some fuckwits running this Island. The politicians may well be fuckwits too but it is the civil service that my comment is directed at. They are the really well paid and pensioned parasites of our land. And who pays for their them to live lives of luxury. Many of them certainly haven't earned it.

Indeed. And look what happened to the advocates who advised. Bigger, fatter and catter than ever?