Jam_Sandwich

Such a scummy and unfair tax on the lower earners And they still won't get there own house in order for cost savings There's shed loads of $hit there they could flush away

Yeah - but it's certain to be more than that for most

So your rateable value has to be £108 or less in order to be in the '70% better off' camp............ Can't be anywhere close to 30% being at or below that value Great way for the Govt. to use the toilet tax to treat the residents like sh*t again and grab more cash under the guise of 'fairer'

That is worse surely?

This government?? Hoping by the time it's a concern we have a competent one...! Ha

OK if it lapses, what do you envisage will happen then with regard to service, fares etc. A huge mistake last time that IoM Govt made was that they did not include a clause which basically prohibited the agreement and vessels being used as guantees for loans without the govt express approval. Maybe some sort of net asset provision or similar. Basically something to stop the user agreement to be used as a way of getting borrowings so that cash can be striped out It's clearly a profitable route as it's been milked by owners taking a lovely dividend in the past http://www.tynwald.org.im/business/pp/Reports/2009-PP-0093.pdf I have nothing recent but imagine it's a similar scenario. Once the deal expires - have a Government operated service implemented. Any profits can then be used for betterment of the service or the island (or even the damn airport!). Not creamed off to another destination in the world. Costly start up - yes. But long term a better benefit for the island

Let it lapse; they milk it for the shareholders.

Daily transfer of 19p. Reconcile that!

Costs for a 1 bed apartment now with this in a few years £300 Toilet Tax £500 Rates £650 ish Management Fees Chuff owning one. Even as an investment you're kissing goodbye to 3 months of income just paying for it to sit there. Nevermind income tax, mortgage interest and voids. Splash the extra out and get a house or something in else where

Thanks for the work that went into that (even more pleased that it wasn't a stupid question!) I'm even more annoyed that the Bishop voted for than my MHK, Cregeen voting that way. Cregeen obviously used previously being a union man to further his political career and is happy to dump on the poor & vulnerable in society when it suits, but the Bishop should surely have a conscience? When the Chief Minister describes a tax as "unfair", isn't that enough for the Bishop to object, even if he knew the vote would be lost? If the Bishop can't vote on conscience, then what on earth is he there for? No Probs, I was asking too - but found 30 ish minutes spare in my day to do it myself. Just to entertain myself had a little play with strikethrough text on one of the names !

Thanks to some feedback from Roger Mexico & Donald Trumps we have a confirmed list of who voted FOR: Legco Robert Philip Braidwood Dudley Michael William Butt Edward Alan Crowe Alexander Frank Downie Tony Peter Wild Charles Geoffrey Corkish Michael Ronald Coleman Robert Mar Erskine Paterson House of Keys Edward Teare Richard Alexander Ronan Christopher Roy Robertshaw John Ramsey Houghton David Clifford Cretin Cretney John Philip Shimmin David Moore Anderson Graham Derek Cregeen Robert Howard Quayle David John Quirk Timothy Mark Crookall Leonard Ian Singer Allan Robert Bell Juan Paul Watterson Laurence David Skelly Philip Anderson Gawne Again - any errors please point But I'm fairly certain it's accurate

You're right. She only votes if a tie etc. Fixing. Should be final now

Legislative Council The Hon Clare Margaret CHRISTIAN BSc MLCPresident of Tynwald

Amended thanks. I have one too many in the LegCo so need some more feedback on that.

So from this the people that voted FOR it are: Legco Robert Philip Braidwood Dudley Michael William Butt Edward Alan Crowe Alexander Frank Downie Tony Peter Wild Charles Geoffrey Corkish Michael Ronald Coleman Robert Mar Erskine Paterson House of Keys Edward Teare Richard Alexander Ronan Christopher Roy Robertshaw John Ramsey Houghton David Clifford Cretin Cretney John Philip Shimmin David Moore Anderson Graham Derek Cregeen Robert Howard Quayle David John Quirk Timothy Mark Crookall Leonard Ian Singer Allan Robert Bell Juan Paul Watterson Laurence David Skelly Philip Anderson Gawne Please correct me if I'm wrong *edited as per Roger Mexico & Donald Trumps (Thanks) - I'll listen to the playthrough tonight at home to re-confirm. John Quinn & Margaret Christian Removed. 8 for votes in Legco 16 in HoK http://www.tynwald.org.im/memoff/member/Pages/default.aspx