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Which local media ?

Which social media site did the screenshots of the allegedly incriminating texts appear on ?

I watched them put that cable in whilst keeping an eye on my lobster pots, it runs right through the proposed site for the deep water berth Dredging without moving the cable is an impossibility, moving the cable would add a massive cost to the project http://subseaworldnews.com/2013/12/11/mattressing-protection-displaced-on-isle-of-man-uk-interconnector-power-cable/

There's a boat in the morning if you don't like it here, well sometimes there's a boat, if they haven't crashed it

I went through the file in the planning office, I don't have copies or numbers for it. Planning has been granted though

I went through the planning application, public submissions etc. today A condition of planning is that the right of way across the sea frontage be maintained Looking at the location of the gates, just ahead of the steps to the beach and the fact that only that end house is gated, the only possible reason for that is to block off the right of way If you were going to gate the development the gate would be at the other end, but that would allow people to walk across the beach and up the steps We all know what will happen once the gates are up, the pedestrian gate will remain locked and there will be some excuse about not being able to locate the key I propose a concerted effort to do away with the gates all together

Wow ! it must be really nice

Wasn't Mount Murray meant to be tourist accommodation ? Just saying................

Steve was the man who spotted the opportunity in the VAT agreement to Manx register films on the Island, shoot some of the production here then claim the whole VAT content back from the UK treasury It was estimated that he generated over 200 million for the Manx exchequer in the first 10 years, not counting the amount that was spent locally by the film companies on hotels, transport etc. On a personal level he was a genuinely nice guy who never affected any of the bullshit that goes with showbiz, he gave the impression of being slightly surprised at his success One of the good guys, sadly missed

That came in at 75,000 euro a metre for the breakwater, which is about 26,000,000 for the Douglas one Then it has to be secured and a linkspan attached Not sure about the draught clearance being sufficient either, 10 m at a low spring is going to leave the bow of the liner resting on the bottom according to the drawings So if dredging has to be factored in there's another significant cost Even if the engineering stacks up and the breakwater is sufficient to hold back the swell while a ship docks, I still can't see a cost/benefit ratio that would attract outside investement

This is the proposed location for the terminal The swell in this shot is around 3 metres, It can comfortably double that even in summer Offshore gas platforms are constructed to deal with swells 4 times that, so construction is not the issue. It's the impossibility of safely bringing alongside a vessel without damaging it or the pontoon Even if this were possible the strains on the mooring lines as the vessel rises and falls out of sync with the pontoon would be too much Some of you must have seen the motion of the seacat alongside the berth on the Mersey, bear in mind that is several miles from open sea and with a swell of around one metre on a bad day

any on island spend is guesswork, most spend nothing Ok actual quantifiable fact's 16k harbour dues and accepting hboy's tenner a head spend on island making a total of 70 grand for the year! So how does any sane person square that with Mr Ugland's statement that "potentially" (I love that word!) 60000 passengers per year spending 60 quid each " could" add 36million a year to the Manx economy! By the way the 2010 TT brought 19 million into the Manx economy in the fortnight according to IOM Govs figures, yet people complain that it's loss making!! So setting aside the fact that the proposed location looks to have been chosen purely for the fact that the water is deep enough and no account taken of tidal conditions and added to the lack of any credible business case being put forward you have to say that this saga äppears" to have the "potential to exceed the Bendybus and Choo Choo fiascos fiasco by a very long margin !! F*cking great entertainment though!! How do you know that IOMSA haven't taken account of the tidal conditions? If the IOMSA have taken account of tidal conditions and the state of the sea in that area and still tink they could successfully berth a ship there, then they shouldn't really be in a business that concerns anything maritime

http://www.ltugland.com/ From IOM Today: Mr Ugland said: ‘We have been talking to some investment companies to see if we can raise private equity. Government and the private sector can work together to raise the finance. But it is important the government is fully supportive.’ "fully supportive", I assume he means that the government will have to show the colour of it's money before the private equity sharks get in the water Taking this forward the next step would be to present a business case, in order to do that there will have to be a feasibility study done on the proposed location My guess is that this will involve some highly paid professionals and the charter of a survey vessel. After buggering about round the end of the breakwater for a few weeks the highly paid professionals and their boat will go home to compile a report The report will emerge six months later and run to five hundred pages It will conclude that the location is unsuitable The cost of the report will be paid by us The report will cost £750,000 Here's my plan for a feasibility study: Most of the queenie boats have a sonar - GPS interface which can build up a map of the seabed. Due to the quota system plenty of them sit idle for days on end Such a boat could map the area in a day or two The seabed substrate was surveyed in that area when the breakwater was built, so the Harbours Division will have that on information file Admiralty charts will give the tidal range and flow, specific flow rates could be established using a small boat with a GPS and simply drifting through the location at spring & neap tides The Met Office at Ronaldsway will have all wind speed & direction data needed There are several retire Master Mariners resident here, one of them could be paid to look at the data and the site and give an opinion as to the suitability of mooring a 60,000 ton vessel there Cost: less than £20,000

The estimated economic benefit to Orkney was £7m in 2016, the total cost of their berth was £29m (original in 2002 and then extension in 2013) The deep water berth will not cost "hundreds of millions" and its expected lifespan is 100 years. The £50m includes an estimate for shore-side infrastructure modifications, and is only an estimate based on feasibility study designs, not the final design. As stated, the business case detailing ownership/funding/revenues has to stack up, and this is the next step. If the project gets the go-ahead based on a sound business case, and for whatever reason the assumptions in the business case do not materialise over the longer term, there is still the option to sell the asset, as clearly it is moveable and it has 100 year design life. This also mitigates the financial risk. Can we just stand back for a second an take in what is being proposed here A 170 meter linkspan to a floating pontoon anchored on the outside of the current breakwater, this structure will then have ships from 20,000 to 60,000 tons berthed alongside If you consider the structure in isolation it may make sense, but when you put in in the context of the location it is a ludicrous proposal Anyone unfamiliar with conditions in that area should take a drive to the breakwater and park above the old coastguard stores On the surface it holds the biggest swells between here & Langness, the reasons being that there is a large reef which rises up in line with the lighthouse and pushes up the sea being driven toward it by the prevailing wind. These conditions are amplified when the tide ebbs and runs into the oncoming swell There is a tidal range of up to 10 meters and swells there frequently make 7 metres, The tidal flow exceeds 6 knots on a spring Oil & gas rig technology could be used to place a structure in this area with no problems, trying to berth a ship alongside it in adverse conditions would be a prospect only the skipper of the Costa Concordia would contemplate. There is also the scenario of berthing alongside it in calm conditions the morning and discharging the passengers then having to leave the berth when the wind gets up and having the passengers re-embark by ships boat back in the bay All of must have seen footage of rig support vessels trying to supply oil rigs in open water, a highly dangerous task. My background is rooted in the Manx tourist industry, my great grandparents came here and bought a hotel on the prom over 100 years ago, my grandparents, parents and parents in-law all had hotels. My own restaurants derived around 30% of their turnover from visitors I have a lot of faith in the Island as a tourist destination, but this scheme, in this location is ill advised and will make us a laughing stock When you say "this location is ill advised", what other location have you in mind? I don't have another location in mind, I'm just pointing out the unsuitability of the proposed one

The estimated economic benefit to Orkney was £7m in 2016, the total cost of their berth was £29m (original in 2002 and then extension in 2013) The deep water berth will not cost "hundreds of millions" and its expected lifespan is 100 years. The £50m includes an estimate for shore-side infrastructure modifications, and is only an estimate based on feasibility study designs, not the final design. As stated, the business case detailing ownership/funding/revenues has to stack up, and this is the next step. If the project gets the go-ahead based on a sound business case, and for whatever reason the assumptions in the business case do not materialise over the longer term, there is still the option to sell the asset, as clearly it is moveable and it has 100 year design life. This also mitigates the financial risk. Can we just stand back for a second an take in what is being proposed here A 170 meter linkspan to a floating pontoon anchored on the outside of the current breakwater, this structure will then have ships from 20,000 to 60,000 tons berthed alongside If you consider the structure in isolation it may make sense, but when you put in in the context of the location it is a ludicrous proposal Anyone unfamiliar with conditions in that area should take a drive to the breakwater and park above the old coastguard stores On the surface it holds the biggest swells between here & Langness, the reasons being that there is a large reef which rises up in line with the lighthouse and pushes up the sea being driven toward it by the prevailing wind. These conditions are amplified when the tide ebbs and runs into the oncoming swell There is a tidal range of up to 10 meters and swells there frequently make 7 metres, The tidal flow exceeds 6 knots on a spring Oil & gas rig technology could be used to place a structure in this area with no problems, trying to berth a ship alongside it in adverse conditions would be a prospect only the skipper of the Costa Concordia would contemplate. There is also the scenario of berthing alongside it in calm conditions the morning and discharging the passengers then having to leave the berth when the wind gets up and having the passengers re-embark by ships boat back in the bay All of must have seen footage of rig support vessels trying to supply oil rigs in open water, a highly dangerous task. My background is rooted in the Manx tourist industry, my great grandparents came here and bought a hotel on the prom over 100 years ago, my grandparents, parents and parents in-law all had hotels. My own restaurants derived around 30% of their turnover from visitors I have a lot of faith in the Island as a tourist destination, but this scheme, in this location is ill advised and will make us a laughing stock

"Too cold for cycle lanes?" I'm failing to understand your point

Orkney got £4 million into the local economy from cruise passengers With a deepwater ship berth costing in the hundreds of millions I cannot see any way of repaying the cost before the thing wears out To give you an example of a cheaper tourism investment look at Majorca. They had funds available and were considering building yet another marina, instead they invested in making the islands roads cycle friendly by widening some of the main routes and putting a 1.5 meter wide cycleway on one side The result was a massive uptake in cycle holidays in the spring & autumn when the weather was cool enough I was there last April and they had 25,000 cyclists a week going through the place, using hotels, cafes, bike hire shops, the airlines & ferries and spending considerably more than a tea & scone day tripper A huge and ongoing return for a modest investment http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-30794701 Put a presentation together and invite Tynwald members get an expert in from Majorca and they'll lap it up. apart from cyclists never spend money hence why the cycle week stopped Easy Jet fare150.00 Euro Hotel rate 60.00 Euro per night Bike hire 19.00 Euro per day Food, lunch 12 euro, Dinner 22 Euro per day T shirts, bike clothing etc another 50 Euro It is not 1965 any more

There were very few of us qualified to comment on the technical aspects of the first linkspan, this was effectively a steel bridge with a float on the end. It was installed in 1977 before the breakwater extension and many of us who knew the harbour questioned how it would stand up to the swells produced by an easterly gale Reassurances were given that it had been designed by engineers to cope with swell of up to 1.5 meters. We pointed out that swells of 5 meters were not uncommon. We were told not to worry. The linkspan opened in August facilitating our first ro-ro vessel operated by Manxline I was living above the harbour and in September of that year with the first of the easterlies blowing hard I woke to the massive sound of tearing and crashing metal. Dawn broke to reveal the linkspan wrenched from its hinges and lay half submerged across the middle of the harbour When the seacat was first brought here on a promotional visit, many of us locals went on it for a 1 hr jolly. At the end of the trip some bloke in a suit with a flipchart gave us a talk extolling the virtues of the fastcraft. We were quite impressed, the first question from the audience was " what are you going to replace it with in the winter ?" Suity bloke then tell the audience that they have looked at the weather patterns for the Irish sea and that there will be only one or two days a year when this boat can't operate Cue hoots of derision from the crowd and a very puzzled and offended suity bloke packs up his chart and buggers off Some 18 months later said boat is charging toward the bar lightship in a blow when it ploughs into a wall of water and wrenches the bow visor off it's mountings. Boat limps back to Liverpool to be replaced with the Lady of Man, a small sideloader built to withstand the Irish Sea You don't always need to be an expert to see when something isn't going to work, local knowledge is worth a lot Ignoring all that for a moment, the whole point of this absurd project is an exercise in parting the Manx government from it's money. The practicalities will of building it and the non-existent business case will be glossed over until the various parties involved have been paid millions in consulting fees. They will then conclude that it's a non-starter and bugger off to spend the money on a new car and a house extension

Orkney got £4 million into the local economy from cruise passengers With a deepwater ship berth costing in the hundreds of millions I cannot see any way of repaying the cost before the thing wears out To give you an example of a cheaper tourism investment look at Majorca. They had funds available and were considering building yet another marina, instead they invested in making the islands roads cycle friendly by widening some of the main routes and putting a 1.5 meter wide cycleway on one side The result was a massive uptake in cycle holidays in the spring & autumn when the weather was cool enough I was there last April and they had 25,000 cyclists a week going through the place, using hotels, cafes, bike hire shops, the airlines & ferries and spending considerably more than a tea & scone day tripper A huge and ongoing return for a modest investment http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-30794701

So the harbour dues from the cruise liner industry generated a massive £16, 200 last year. That should cover the cost of one harbour policeman for 6 months

To understand what is really going on here, cast your minds back to the heady days of fifteen or so years ago when we were told that the lights would go out unless we go a new power station We got a new power station to go with the three we already had plus an undersea cable and some nonsense generation from the oversized incinerator ( which was also crucial to our needs) One result was an electricity supply some five times greater than the Island was likely to need Another result was that dozens of contractors, consultants, assorted crooks politicians & hangers-on got a very nice earner out of the fiasco. Which we all pay for every month through our water & electric bills The deepwater cruise terminal project is simply another money spinner for this generation's aformentioned contractors, crooks etc. Coachloads of ship-borne pensioners spending £5 on tea & a bun are not going to payback the investment needed for this project, which is why no private interests will put any money up without bucketloads of government cash thrown in The dwindling reserves are burning a hole in the pocket of the new administration, like a ten year old rushing down the shops with his birthday money

Fuck me Quilp, I remember the atmosphere at the time and didn't realise you had been hauled in and subjected to such an ordeal, old fashioned police work for you eh ? Some time after the fire, the manager of the Golden Egg Restaurant was murdered. We were camping up at the Braid that night and the following morning two of us hitched into town and were picked up by one of the CID Minis Our ordeal was confined to the three mile journey and consisted of a Q&A session as to our background and whereabouts the previous night, after which we were let go Interestingly, someone who was involved in the Quilp incident has been veiwing this forum

The architect was J Phillips Lomas, I don't remember him being held responsible despite him specifying "Oroglas" for the cladding and not designing adequate fire escape routes The building was owned by Douglas Corporation but was leased to Trust House Forte. Some of the fire doors were padlocked by their staff but the manager, Mr Bertorelli, perished in the blaze Most of the flack was taken by the chief fire officer who signed the building off as being safe. He got sacked

Why did it take 40 years to do this ?

Posted this on the other film industry thread http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/a-miserable-future-for-pinewood-unless-residents-accept-the-expansion-of-one-of-the-worlds-busiest-studios-8468161.html