La Colombe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 hours ago, CharlieBrown said: What exactly is the arts council for if not poncing? Oh yeah, the money is there for grabbing for sure, it's just that I wonder if the emphasis on the Manx element of applications might have a dilutive effect on local culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 The chart isn't exclusive to Celtic Folk or Traditional music. Manx Music to me has always been a broad church covering music made on the Island or by Manx born or raised musicians elsewhere irrespective of genre. So I'd include Jules Verne's electronica, Han-Fx's Hip-Hop, and Postcode's Indie as Manx Music. I'd also class products of the local scene such Penelope Isles or Davy Knowles as Manx Music, although whether they should eligible for a support from the Art's Council is less certain. There's a tendency to puritanism in some sectors of Island when the issue of "What is Manx?" or "What is Manx Culture?" comes up. You know the thing "you're not Manx because your grandad came from Liverpool" or "acoustic music is authentic" even though the original Manx wouldn't have had cajons and guitars anymore than they would have had a 303 or wah-wah pedal. If you are quick to exclude those that don't meet an authenticity definition you end up with a moribund culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Declan said: The chart isn't exclusive to Celtic Folk or Traditional music. Manx Music to me has always been a broad church covering music made on the Island or by Manx born or raised musicians elsewhere irrespective of genre. So I'd include Jules Verne's electronica, Han-Fx's Hip-Hop, and Postcode's Indie as Manx Music. I'd also class products of the local scene such Penelope Isles or Davy Knowles as Manx Music I wouldn't describe any of those acts as performers of Manx music. It would be like describing somebody speaking English as speaking Manx, because they happen to be speaking English on the island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 That makes no sense. Because music genre or style is not bound by geography, like language, but draws from all music that it encounters. Manx musicians in 1800 would have drawn on the musics of visiting sailors from the neighbouring islands and church music from across too. In any case you could say someone speaking English was speaking it with a Manx accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Declan said: In any case you could say someone speaking English was speaking it with a Manx accent. It would still be English. But with a Manx accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, La Colombe said: It would still be English. But with a Manx accent. You still make no sense - it's apples and oranges. Manx the language and Manx the cultural identity are not the same thing. Even linguistically "English" above quote is a noun and "Manx" an adjective, just as it is "Manx Music". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yeah, it does make sense though. I find your attempt at defining Manx Music rather unsatisfactory. Shaky even. But if it works for you then fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 What’s your definition then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Declan said: What’s your definition then? Well, I don't think I've really got one, which is why I was asking. If I was pressed I would probably have to go with there's no such thing. Or if there is, I've yet to experience it. There probably was one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Hmm, this one seems to have dried up a bit, but it has had me pondering for a few days, and I dunno, I think I may be right! But not altogether with complete confidence! Nationalism innit. Or is it? Music does, as I think Declan suggests, seem to transcend geographical borders. Therefore, it must be above notions of nationalistic aspirations beyond, of course, the rantings of poorly armed nationalists? Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieBrown Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Therefore, it must be above notions of nationalistic aspirations beyond, of course, the rantings of poorly armed nationalists? Isn't it? Not if you want arts council funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Hmm, this one seems to have dried up a bit, but it has had me pondering for a few days, and I dunno, I think I may be right! But not altogether with complete confidence! Nationalism innit. Or is it? Music does, as I think Declan suggests, seem to transcend geographical borders. Therefore, it must be above notions of nationalistic aspirations beyond, of course, the rantings of poorly armed nationalists? Isn't it? Well I’d look at this as localism rather than nationalism. Having local football leagues isn’t nationalism is it? Everywhere has an X Music Scene. There hasn’t been much of a local scene really, but where it has and occasionally still does work well is through an amalgam of mutual cooperation and competition. Of course whilst I think musical styles transcend national and other boundaries, it is also true that localities sometimes do put their own accent on it. For example, most 60’s soul fans can easily tell Detroit soul from Memphis soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, Declan said: Having local football leagues isn’t nationalism is it? What is Manx football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, La Colombe said: What is Manx football? Football played on the Isle of Man and by teams representing the Isle of Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, La Colombe said: What is Manx football? Same shit, just 50% more kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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