2112 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 hours ago, Max Power said: I think it's quite snappy in its complete form, the old logo was wishy washy. Perhaps the Marshal's Association is spreading its wings into other events and not restricting itself to the TT? https://www.iomttmarshals.com/ Why the need to change its logo? Are the TT marshals a business or not for profit organisation? Arms-Length? Who has devised this logo ……… IOMG? If it’s not broke why fix it? I can see why some people get annoyed. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 13 hours ago, TheTeapot said: It's sort of like the kind of logo you'd get on a fleece from Millets. It looks like it could be anything really: a soft drink, a cryptocurrency, the Metro system in a small European city. I did a google image search on it and got an endless stream of things with a big letter 'M' that were similar, but not quite close enough for copyright infringement. It's branding that doesn't say anything about the organisation except that they've undergone a rebranding. Change that happens only because there are expensively-employed people somewhere who feel they ought to do something to show that they're there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said: It looks like it could be anything really: a soft drink, a cryptocurrency, the Metro system in a small European city. I did a google image search on it and got an endless stream of things with a big letter 'M' that were similar, but not quite close enough for copyright infringement. It's branding that doesn't say anything about the organisation except that they've undergone a rebranding. Change that happens only because there are expensively-employed people somewhere who feel they ought to do something to show that they're there. Well quite. It's unimaginative crap. The Isle of Man: Where you can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 16 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said: Again tinkering with the goodwill of the marshal's, whom without there would be no racing. Or to start a conspiracy is this how they are going to kill it off, we can't get enough marshals. Its not our fault. Tossers The "Isle of Man TT Marshals Association " ceased to be , without consulting it's 400-600 marshal voting 'members ' and replaced by the "TT marshals ltd " which had 2 voting members thus giving the marshals absolutely no say in anything TT/MGP related . At a EGM of the former TTMA the meeting was advised by a Mr Crellin(sp?) that the new organisation would be more democratic having 2 voting members approved by the Motorsport Team / CoC. No indication of the assets/liabilities of the TTMA ltd were provided at the EGM. The Motorsport team and the CoC now have absolute control of every aspect of the TT/MGP . Many local marshals voted with their feet as they perceive that the new organisation is run under military rules ( you obey orders/instructions without question, and shut up ) and any marshal offering any opinion/criticism will be disciplined/sacked ( see CSM Sector 9 and latterly Sector 10), at the whim of the CoC. I no longer marshal, the principal reason being the cavalier attitude to rider safety taken by the CoC ( see previous posts on MF). Just saying Edited March 16 by paswt 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I am amazed the COC has lasted so long after the disastrous collision fiasco which no one ever took responsibility for. They will be crying out for marshals again the week before practices commence, If they had half a brain they would be trying to interest people to sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, paswt said: The "Isle of Man TT Marshals Association " ceased to be , without consulting it's 400-600 marshal voting 'members ' and replaced by the "TT marshals ltd " which had 2 voting members thus giving the marshals absolutely no say in anything TT/MGP related . At a EGM of the former TTMA the meeting was advised by a Mr Crellin(sp?) that the new organisation would be more democratic having 2 voting members approved by the Motorsport Team / CoC. No indication of the assets/liabilities of the TTMA ltd were provided at the EGM. The Motorsport team and the CoC now have absolute control of every aspect of the TT/MGP . Many local marshals voted with their feet as they perceive that the new organisation is run under military rules ( you obey orders/instructions without question, and shut up ) and any marshal offering any opinion/criticism will be disciplined/sacked ( see CSM Sector 9 and latterly Sector 10), at the whim of the CoC. I no longer marshal, the principal reason being the cavalier attitude to rider safety taken by the CoC ( see previous posts on MF). Just saying Personally I think the TTMA is a much more professional organisation now. I don't think the CoC makes decisions in isolation and depends heavily on the Coroner's recommendations and those of the insurers, who are the ultimate judges of these things, no matter what we may think we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 23 hours ago, Fred the shred said: I am amazed the COC has lasted so long after the disastrous collision fiasco which no one ever took responsibility for. They will be crying out for marshals again the week before practices commence, If they had half a brain they would be trying to interest people to sign up now. Oh, so you know what the cause of that incident was? In your eyes all about the decisions made by the CoC rather than errors by marshals? And you also know that nothing has been done to enhance rider safety as a result of it? Life must be quite different in your parallel universe. I couldn’t care less about the TT these days and will not be on the island over the period. It seems that those that say they care about it are least interested in any facts and prefer their own opinions about it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2024 at 12:40 AM, 2112 said: Why the need to change its logo? Are the TT marshals a business or not for profit organisation? Arms-Length? Who has devised this logo ……… IOMG? If it’s not broke why fix it? I can see why some people get annoyed. Like putting lipstick on a pig. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 13 minutes ago, Mysteron said: Like putting lipstick on a pig. It never bothered Kermit! 😀 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, joebean said: Oh, so you know what the cause of that incident was? In your eyes all about the decisions made by the CoC rather than errors by marshals? And you also know that nothing has been done to enhance rider safety as a result of it? Life must be quite different in your parallel universe. I couldn’t care less about the TT these days and will not be on the island over the period. It seems that those that say they care about it are least interested in any facts and prefer their own opinions about it. Yes, it really winds me up that people believe that there was a deliberate cover up and that there were bikes sent the wrong way due to a decision of the CoC. If that were the case, all locations would have released their riders simultaneously, which they didn't. It's the flaming torch and pitchfork mentality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 hours ago, Max Power said: Yes, it really winds me up that people believe that there was a deliberate cover up and that there were bikes sent the wrong way due to a decision of the CoC. If that were the case, all locations would have released their riders simultaneously, which they didn't. It's the flaming torch and pitchfork mentality. Quite so. Anybody thinking about that situation rationally would realise that it was not a CoC decision to send riders WD and that the issue lay with a misreading or misunderstanding at Sector or Deputy Sector level. Also, that the expense and logistical issues surrounding GPS tracking of bikes was designed to prevent a recurrence. The lack of transparency about the results of the investigation has to be something to do about protecting marshals rather than covering up. However in the eyes of those that think if you are a marshal volunteer, you are an angel-like figure who can do no wrong, it has to be all about Race Control and the CoC. As I said, I couldn’t care less these days but dislike any opinion based on prejudice rather than logic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Finger right on pulse there Joe…the lack of transparency about the results of the investigation ….I know a bit of cherry picking but to a lot of people who still have not a clue what happened but were horrified at what occurred leaving a man with dreadful injuries the buck stops at the top, that is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) Unless your civil service, then the buck don't stop just carrys on to infinity. Edited March 17 by Dirty Buggane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 33 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: Finger right on pulse there Joe…the lack of transparency about the results of the investigation ….I know a bit of cherry picking but to a lot of people who still have not a clue what happened but were horrified at what occurred leaving a man with dreadful injuries the buck stops at the top, that is life. I think everyone has enough information to work out what happened, if it were a criminal act then people would be entitled to know, but mistakes happen, and some have tragic consequences. What good would be served in naming who made the mistake publicly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: Finger right on pulse there Joe…the lack of transparency about the results of the investigation ….I know a bit of cherry picking but to a lot of people who still have not a clue what happened but were horrified at what occurred leaving a man with dreadful injuries the buck stops at the top, that is life. But what would marshals say, let’s say hypothetically, if a report was published that said the cause of the incident was poor performance by marshals, both in directing riders along the course in the wrong direction without permission and, having done that, not reporting riders going in the wrong direction unescorted, for several miles until a collision occurred? What would marshals say if the report identified which marshals were responsible and where? When the event is reliant on marshals coming forward and lots of those marshals are very sensitive to criticism, what might be the response in terms of the number volunteering in future? As I keep saying, I’m not bothered if the TT happens or not; I don’t watch it, I don’t watch the TV coverage and I’ll be somewhere a long way from the Island when it happens. It might be that keeping the investigation conclusions private is designed to do the absolute opposite of what is being suggested. Edited March 17 by joebean 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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