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  1. 26 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

    That must be why the article was to be found in the Telegraph then!.

    In said Telegraph article the quote from Mr Geddes was correctly attributed to have been made to the Sun.

    It is quite possible for two, or more newspaper’s, to cover the same story. Did you not know that?

    What!

    And give away the source to be one of the most disreputable rags around!

    If I were you I would write and complain to the Telegraph ASAFP that by your own admission you would never pay good money to read trash from the Sun!

    Make sure they know that only home-grown trash by the Telegraph is acceptable...

    Good laugh this.

  2. 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

    Here you go

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/18/union-jack-bunting-d-day-commemoration-snub-normandy/

    I never claimed Mr Gs quote was from the Telegraph itself. 
    I will accept your apology should you do the right thing and make one.

    Well the "author" of the article, Ruth Hallows, writes for the Telegraph.

    Looking at this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27986396/france-d-day-flags-britain/

    it would appear that the Telegraph has now sunk so low It's plagiarising "stories" from the Sun ffs!

    So much for this!

    1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

     I don’t have access to the Sun and certainly wouldn’t consider paying for it!

    Well that's exactly what you're doing when you pay for the Telegraph!

    Now that's funny!

    Mug...

  3. 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

    I see the Telegraph is also reporting that Manchester City have won this seasons Premier League title.

    More pathetic rubbish that they have no doubt just made up

    Just more obfuscation.

    I'm just wondering why you claimed your quote was from the Telegraph when in fact it was from the Sun as in "Neil Geddes, a 59-year-old engineer from Fleetwood, Lancashire, told The Sun" etc.

    Well...?

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  4. 2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

    Make what you will of this.

    Yes it’s from the Telegraph but that doesn’t change the fact that the Union Flag is missing from those flags flying commemorating D Day. That’s not made up.  Why is that if not because of Brexit? A mere administrative oversight perhaps, rather than a snub?

    Neil Geddes, a 59-year-old engineer from Fleetwood, Lancashire, told The Sun: “It’s wrong, considering our involvement in France’s evacuation and liberation.”

    @The Voice of Reason

    So this load of pathetic rubbish is from the Telegraph then? Very well, it's so bad it could be I suppose...

    "That's not made up"

    Don't think so.

    0/10 - Must try (a lot!) harder...

  5. 28 minutes ago, woolley said:

    No doubt whatsoever that you'll go on ad infinitum, but inflation and medical shortages are international issues in the 2020s. UK inflation has been above some EU countries for most, though not all, of the time for decades, so there are many factors at work that predate Brexit.

    Sure.

    But if you read the article the pharmacist states that brexit is partly to blame. Not something EU countries have to contend with.

    And, unlike you, he would know...

    Try the other two and see how you get on.

  6. 12 hours ago, woolley said:

    I ignored it because I've answered it multiple times in the past, and you know that I have.

    Of course I know you've given answers in the past.

    But none that hold any water!

    Plus it seems to me that more downsides to your totally stupid and completely unnecessary brexit keep turning up on a regular basis to join the growing list. Like this one:

    "Ministers repeatedly promised, before and after Brexit, that farming and food standards in the UK would not be watered down after leaving the EU. The Guardian, however, has revealed numerous examples of environmental rules that have been weakened, from regulations on air pollution and water quality to pesticide use and agricultural emissions."

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/17/post-brexit-rules-on-antibiotic-use-on-farms-water-down-eu-laws-experts-say

    And this:

    "I love being a pharmacist, but the UK’s drug shortage makes me want to give up – and Brexit makes it worse

    Telling patients I can’t get their life-saving medication is awful. The government must act to prevent a real tragedy"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/17/pharmacist-uk-drug-shortage-patient-medication

    And this:

    "Brexit border IT outages delay import of perishable items to UK by up to 20 hours
    Lorries carrying meat, cheese and cut flowers held up by new checks, with retailers rejecting some orders"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/15/brexit-border-it-outages-delay-import-of-perishable-items-to-uk-by-up-to-20-hours

    And no doubt ad infinitum...

  7. 30 minutes ago, woolley said:

    It was always an issue, but Cameron only did that because he expected another Coalition Government and was relying on numpty Clegg to dash hopes of a referendum as part of the deal. He was being disingenuous. Unfortunately for him he won a bit too well.

    BS.

    You can't escape the main point of my post to wit that the UK could have carried on in the EU with no fear for the future.

    Tell you what. Post up all those brexit benefits to be found on the "sunlit uplands"...!

    Always worth a laugh that one...

  8. 3 hours ago, woolley said:

    You chaps are all black and white with minimal attention span. You see broad brushstrokes with no shades of grey or nuance. The true answer is that legally the UK had sovereignty whilst in the EU, or else it couldn't have left. However, the treaties it had signed up to nullified the exercise of sovereignty on a day to day basis for the duration, and the reach of the EU diktat had increased, and would further increase as time went by. 

    @P.K. was always fond of telling me that anything that Westminster didn't like could simply be vetoed, but this isn't the case. EU law is supreme over domestic law throughout the bloc, and had to be nodded through the UK Parliament. EU court decisions trump national courts, etc, so sovereignty could not be exercised fully within the EU. All of this is enshrined in the UK European Communities Act 1972, and is why, when Cameron went cap in hand to the EU for minor concessions on their "Four Freedoms" to shore up his Remain campaign, they showed him the finger and there wasn't a thing he could do about it. That's national sovereignty EU style. Maybe if they'd given him a fig leaf to exercise power in the nation he led, he'd have got a Remain vote over the line, but they didn't. Thank you, EU.

    @woolley

    The above is mostly vapourware.

    Any of the Sovereign States in the EU could invoke Article 50 at any time. Mindful of this the EU would never try to push through anything that might cause the member states to want to leave. Unlike our current government they're just not that stupid. Which is why in over 40 years of membership "sovereignty" was never an issue. Except possibly in the UK right wing press of the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Telegraph who were in thrall to the anti-EU (tax avoidance) agenda of the owner. So for four decades they dissed the EU with anything they could find including the infamous "bendy bananas" bs and so forth. In fact there was so much "fake news" flying about that the EU was given to collating it all and producing fact sheets to refute it!

    Anyway sovereignty only became an issue when a running scared idiot Cameron put an EU referendum in the tory manifesto which kicked off a UK right wing press feeding frenzy. With economic benefits very thin (ie refutable) on the ground Farage was forced to do the media rounds saying "It was always about sovereignty" when it never actually had been!

    So the bottom line is in the very unlikely event that the EU had pushed the envelope just a bit too far then that would have been the time to invoke Article 50.

    So obviously to leave without anything to fear in the future was just bloody stupid...

  9. 8 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

    Frankly as a nation we’ve been much strengthened by demonstrating our desire, in  voting for self determination.

    Complete cobblers.

    The nation has been polarised by a schism even deeper than Thatcher managed and that was bad enough!

  10. Just now, woolley said:

    @P.K. You are assuming cause and effect involving the EU in those figures. It's not so simple, and GDP is a notoriously poor indicator of anything other than...... GDP. You only need look at the GDP of Ireland to understand this. It has a high GDP because it is an EU tax haven. Didn't prevent the UK having to bail it out during the euro crisis though.

    Similarly, UK GDP is largely driven by the City which has global reach. It has grown exponentially since the Big Bang deregulation in 1986, and continues to grow, as do exports. It's easy to pull out statistics and try to strap them on to one random cause to suit your narrative. I could do similar by pulling out UK manufacturing output which declined disastrously throughout our EU membership, and blame it all on the EU, but to do so would be just as silly as what you've done. The world is so much more complex.

    The UK thrived as a member of the EU and that simply can't be challenged. I'm not claiming that it was ALL down to EU membership but seamless trade can only be a benefit compared to what we have now.

    So to deliberately make it more difficult, more time consuming and more expensive to trade with our biggest trading partner that sits right on our doorstep can only be a really really stupid thing to do. That can't be challenged either.

    Everything I posted about your much hackneyed and precious "sovereignty" is absolutely spot on. In over forty years of membership it was NEVER an issue in the real world. That can't be challenged either.

    Essentially the UK left the EU "just in case" the EU wanted to do something that was a step too far for the UK. THAT was bloody stupid as well because in the event then THAT would be the right time to invoke article 50. Not on a stupid "just in case" basis.

    Instead lies and obfuscation were used to generate a majority from the gullible, the hard of thinking, the xenophobic, the tiny-minded Little Englanders and those paranoid about "ever closer union" without as yet coming across any real cause to be concerned.

    Frankly as a nation we've been much diminished by our own stupidity...

  11. 1 hour ago, woolley said:

    Sovereignty is not a fallacy though, and for as long as you cannot see that you will "Remain" deluded, while continuing to believe that you are the intelligent side of the debate and the other lot are morons. There isn't a price you can put on self-determination, and certainly nothing that is cited as "lost" approaches that price. Of course, I've had all of this with dear PK years ago at all hours of day and night, and I'm not about to reprise it for you. You will see in good time.

    Ah yes, "sovereignty" - the last refuge of a scoundrel...

    Brexiteers know that they simply can't win the mythical "brexit benefits" arguments, because they just don't exist, so they resort to playing the "sovereignty" card. This is like the Monotony board game "Get out of Jail Free" card for brexiteers. They feel it absolves them of any blame for the complete and utter clusterfuck because the "value" of their precious "sovereignty" cannot be measured and they can slap any old timeframe on it's "benefits" because it's unlikely anyone will notice any difference.

    Of course, they have to ignore the fact that for 42 years of EU membership "sovereignty" was NEVER an issue. They also have to ignore the fact that for every trade deal you strike you have to give up some of your "sovereignty" to make it happen. Except for Liz "Thick as a Brick" Truss who gave away so much sovereignty in the antipodes she ended up signing trade deals of "negative benefit" to the UK! So I suppose it shouldn't have come as a surprise when she tanked the economy. But the reason she was desperate for a trade deal was simply because brexit caused the UK to go from a top player in the best trading bloc on the planet straight down to "Third Country" trading status and desperate for trade deals. It would also seem that any old deal would do it as well...

    I did wonder if there was any genuine reason why the UK would want to leave the EU? The UK originally signed up in 1973. So I checked the year before joining and in 1972 Germany, the powerhouse of Europe, had a GDP of $299,802M. The UK’s GDP was $169,965M. In 2015, the last year of any normalcy for us, Germany’s GDP had risen to $3,357,930M - a rise of a factor of times 11. The UK’s GDP had risen to $2,935,510M - a rise of a factor of times 17!

    Put simply the UK had absolutely thrived as a member of the EU easily outstripping our peer group of France, Germany and Italy.

    I’m just amazed that the Daily Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Telegraph plus Messrs Farage, Gove and Johnson didn't mention this very important point to those they were trying to persuade to leave the EU. It's almost as if they didn't care about the UK and it’s citizens clearly prospering as a member of the EU…

  12. 15 hours ago, Chinahand said:

    On May 6, the UN published data showing that 34,735 people had reportedly been killed in Gaza, including over 9,500 women and over 14,500 children. On May 8, the UN published data showing 34,844 people had reportedly been killed, including 4,959 women and 7,797 children.

    Obviously as Hamas are a terrorist organisation intent on the annihilation of the State of Israel any figures they produce should be taken with a large dose of sodium chloride.

    Naturally their intention is to paint the worst possible picture of the IDF but ironically their numbers of killed should include all the Hamas terrorists eliminated by the IDF! After Vietnam the idea of a "body count" being a sign of success had been completely debunked. The IDF figures are around 12,000 but I'm not sure how. Prior to the incursion a lot of Hamas targets were eliminated by airstrikes with no way of knowing the numbers of Hamas casualties.

    One thing the IDF are doing, probably by facial recognition technology, is comparing photos of Hamas killed or captured with the footage from October 7th. They get a match and they publish it.

  13. 41 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

    They won't though because they are stuck in the denial stage of grief for their Brexit dreams.

    I am surprised that the issue of 'sovereignty' has not raised it's head yet as this "prize" is worth paying anything for in the minds of certain people.  

    Like the paranoid...

  14. 12 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

    They've always been a lot like that to be honest.  It's what having a monopoly for near 200 years does.  It's just that with government now imposing management, the decisions are looking even more arbitrary and the communications are even more touchy and indignant.

    This from the IOMSPCo response to the "Which" report made me smile:

    "In accordance with the SSA, increases in standard fares are capped at a maximum of the annual Manx Consumer Prices Index."

    Errr excuse me so what was the 2024 percentage rise in fares?

    You know, why didn't you give us the actual number?

    There must be a reason for that. I wonder what it is...?

  15. 39 minutes ago, HeliX said:

    Not to mention, of course, that there was only one pro-Israel vote to be made... there were lots of pro-Palestine options. Ironically, Israel getting Joost ejected probably stopped them winning as it would've split the pro-Palestine votes further if he were still performing.

    You really are in a little world of your own.

    None of it will make the slightest difference to the fact that most Palestinian Arabs have heeded the IDF warnings and have fled Rafah for a safe haven. It would appear that they have finally got the message.

    The IDF have apparently advanced further into Rafah to eliminate Hamas.

    After all, there's no point in putting out half of a fire...

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