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But there not a small company, there bigger than the SP

The thing is, apart from the supermarkets, mezeron may well have took a few extre bookings that used to go on the steam packet back to ramsey with them, they can still ship containers in for anybody that wants them, yes it may not be everyday, but that can allways be planned around. And the amount of free advertisment they got from this little stunt will be worth a hell of a lot to them,

That could be because some of us have work todo in the day and cant sit on a computer all day doing sod all well as the steam packet had to re organize new prices with most of the companys that use them to safe gaurd there shipping, and no dowt graylaw got a good price drop, and that graylaw and mezeron were at the start of this new route, Then i would say they prob did what they started out to do

I think you have been confussed, maybe these points will make u see stright no the SP charge the £1200, or should i say around the £1000 mark, mezeron are cheaper than the SP, so no they wont be bcak using the ben my chree, How do my maths not add up, please shyow exsample. and yes my arguements do stand up. To be fair i have no idea what mezeron charge for the douglas services, But i do know that they charge about £400-500 a 20ft flat, And have heard of £800 for a 40ft trailer, which would be about right.

Noboody knows that, maybe Mr barrat would have done the same thing, who knows, which ever way it is, Mr barratt is not here, Mr Barrat can not decide what is best for his compnay, and in respect I see this as quite a harsh thing to say on a public fourm where to be honest your just saying somebodys opion on the matter, which could be vary well unfounded and untrue, but vary upsetting for family members to read. lack of respect to the deceased and the living in my book,

well do the maths on a trailer at £1200 one way, and you tell me how i got my figures, do it on the 17 trailers a day, thats a nice little earner, yes the ferry is not that much but thats what companys charge say u and me to ship a triler out. now even if you do it on £800 a trailer which has been said what the sp charged, between 800-1000 a trip, them figures soon add up.

how many wagons a day from tescos, and the 3 million is one way not both, so you can go 6 million if you like, not including the xmas or orther busy times and this is on the min amount per day,

What are your thoughts there then? I'm interested purely as it 'appears' that Graylaw has some sort of link with Stobarts... i.e. Both logos on containers... More info please... Yes the Stobarts link is really with Tesco. If you look at the containers, the 'Graylaw' logo is rather fresh compared to the others. The expansion in Mezeron's activities has been 'bank rolled' by a certain haulier. Yes, technically it is Mezeron / Doehle, but they were not the driving force in setting this larger LO-LO service up. It was rather the other way around. not surprised really at the price they were being charged, but they have a few million to play with till they start losing over the sp, just with the 1 contract alone let alone all the other stuff they bring in, with tescos worth at least 3 million a year in shipping alone, thats a lot of cash to play with

i guess you must be privy to there costing and everything then Im sure as hell think the owners will lose out as well. What you think they just go o well who cares, Who knows they may well have everything at stake on this.

I dont see mezeron taking a financial hit, if anything i would say the isle of man side will prob see a good increase in revenue, yes i see the SP taking a big hit. But if they were run normaly without this huge debt, then services should not be effected because they would be able to compeate with them, And this is the point, its all about the loan, thats all its ever been about, it has northing to do with the people, the company the workers, its all about the owners being able to keep there ass out of the fire. let them burn they stoked the fire for so long and took the piss for even longer that they only have themselfs to blame.

Thats not mezerons fault is it. And like we all said in the past the SP problems is not because of mezeron, but because of the loans, with out the loans it would not be a problem

But does not mezeron offring the service cheaper, show the slagging off about SP prices, was valid

well as the index for shipping goods, or should i say the cost to hire theses ships, has dropped to a vary low lvl since they first hired them, who knows we could see mezeron dropping there costs even more!! These type of ships occupy a specialised niche. The general indices may not fully apply or be relevant. These are such tiny ships. Unless one wants to cause more trouble for the Steampacket with a view to knocking them out the usual tack at this stage is to make more money off lower rates. In order to really get the price of such tonnage ans future market indications one has to consult a short-sea or coastal broker in much the same way as one asks the odds from a Bookie! hmm lets see, big ships move big items or lots of items, this price gos down if the amounts of items to be shipped drops. so less things to move, which would mean less things getting brought, we still need to ship things here in a SMALLER ship, so does have a knock on effect to the price

well as the index for shipping goods, or should i say the cost to hire theses ships, has dropped to a vary low lvl since they first hired them, who knows we could see mezeron dropping there costs even more!!

Why should they pass this on to you. i cant see why they should, they have no right to pass it on or need, So quastion to you is, why should they pass it on to you!!!!!!!!!!

Barrie you seam to be hung up on this point, i have read it many times from you that the steam packet have an unfair advantage because of the linkspan. You really are talking shit, because if it was unfair the steam packet would not have got it extended again and again. The company would have been brought for 200 million if it was unfair. So really your talking bollocks as noraml as well its only you that sees it as unfair and not the company that signed it, which they did not have to

You find the steam packet forced themselfs into liquidation by there owners, not mezeron!!!!!!. a

Really? Well three new routes/operators (Ro-Ro/Ro-Pax) started in the past year on the Irish Sea. I haven't included Mezeron in that either. In shipping terms in the Irish Sea area I'd call that substantial. You wouldn't I take it? How many would you expect in an average year then? And there's (at least) three new vessels on the way for expansion in the coming year... I think I will go with what the freight link blog says. It does not really look like a prime market to expand into! Too many ships / too many routes / not enough customers? Monday, June 28th, 2010 The Western European ferry market is having to contend with testing trading conditions at present, and there are a number of things happening that are not making it easy for ferry operators to turn a profit. From environmental compliance, the generally high cost of marine fuel and the introduction of ultra low sulphur fuel in areas such as the North Sea and Baltic Sea, these are all issues impacting on the bottom line of ferry companies over which they have very little direct control. In a weak freight transport market, ferry operators are chasing fewer customers to support their respective services which causes a “price war” on some routes where only the end user (aka the customer) benefits. With ships to fill and schedules to operate, ferry companies have little choice but to drop rates to attract new traffic and to try and keep hold of what they have already got. And so the circle of margin and profit erosion continues…… So, what can the industry do to combat these negative issues. Well, taking out some capacity would be a start, but this is easier said than done. What is stopping consolidation is not the ferry companies’ lack of money to buy their peers, but the European Commission’s competition rules. Both the MD’s of Stena Ro-ro and Norfolkline have recently claimed that these rules made it very difficult to tale over a competitor which had services on the same route. The general view from the ferry industry is that a softening of competition rules would actually help to create a more stable market through consolidation. Take, for example, the Irish Sea market. All the operators who have services on the Irish Sea would agree that the market has been tough now for nearly two years. However in this time, a draft of new tonnage has been introduced by companies such as Norfolkline, Seatruck and Stena Line. There has even been a new entrant to the market, Fastnet Line. Carriers such as Norfolkline and Seatruck have replaced older, smaller ships with bigger, newer vessels and Stena Line took the decision to remove their HSS high speed craft from year round use (due to fuel costs) and replace with a freight vessel offering more freight space, and more daily departures than when the HSS was operating full time. Now, this is a market that is crying out for consolidation. There is not one company who is operating to capacity, and the major players would dearly love to be able to rationalise and consolidate. Indeed at a recent conference in Bremen, Germany the MD of Stena Ro-ro Bo Severed said “On the Irish Sea, there is intense competition, but from a competition rule point of view it is impossible to do something and we really need [consolidation], not only because we want a more stable market and more stable prices, but from an environmental point of view this is crucial. We need to look at ways soften competition rules to get this going” Consolidation in other industries, such as air travel, is happening now as a direct impact of the global economic downturn and high fuel costs. Companies such as British Airways & Iberia, Untied Airlines & Delta have joined together in consolidating and combining their businesses to offer customers a network of services but to also benefit from “economies of scale”. There are many similarities between the aviation industry and the marine industry. The ferry industry needs “economies of scale”. I wonder how soon it will be before some of the “house hold” names of today’s ferry industry disappear through consolidation and become redundant brand names such as Sealink, Sally Lines and Ferryways?. Only time (and our leaders in Brussels) will tell! so there saying theres to many companys working that sea lane, but on the other hand not one of them will pull out. they must be making something then, or the prize when one gos is worth hangging on for. Plus its allways good to say its not profatable because then you may scare off any new companys that our thinking of joining in. ask any company owner or manager if they make a hugh profits, thye will allways say no the market is tight and we only just making a profit. Its not as if you would public say, yes we make millions a day loads of room for more to enter the market, Its called protecting your company

So on one hand they can't manage without getting all the freight yet they're not sure if they can carry all the freight... back to making him look like a spoilt child. was there any need to make the statment. IMO i dont think there is. If the boats full so be it, but i dont think they will have the boat that full theses days. sounds like toys out of pram

That is true, and yes the SP did not know who it was for as it was booked on by a diffrent company, cant see its graylaws fault. mezeron did not have to ship to douglas, they diden have to do anything graylaw wanted, they seen an opeing and they took it. they are totally to blame, as without graylaw switching their custom from SPCo to Messyron this situation would not exist. If messyron didn't have graylaw business it would not matter if they used Douglas or not People need to consider the bottom line, if this has directly benefited them, I expect the vast majority of people will only find increases in their travel costs, they will not get anything cheaper in the supermarkets as a result the reaction on here is just the crab syndrome, not wanting to see aussie pensioners benefiting from our spending on travel and shipping so what your saying is that graylaw went to mezeron and said look ship into douglas and u can have all our work. And you know this as fact because!!!!!!!. So mezeron never thought i know lets do a costing of shipping into douglas with containers, worked out the figure they needed and the cost then went to graylaw and said. we can this for ££££ would you do it. And it does not matter who started what, If a company on the island is not allowed to look at ways of reducing its costs and is stopped because of 1 company, what an exsample this would set to the rest of the world that infact freedom to florish is not allowed on the island. The real blame lies with that of the company that paid 200mill oddd to buy a company they thought would make them quids in. Without this debt on there heads, they could go right we have compertion we need to win it back, drop the price to win it back. And that is the whole reason the SP are in this mess is because of that debt, without that debt they could compete with mezeron with out a problem. And you can bet mezeron knew full well that the SP could not drop the prices and whos fault is that, not mezerons but the SP. Why should we have to pay for there mistakes, You can bet when they took that loan out to buy the company they made it look like they had the whole market and it was a cash cow, and the banks fell right for it. Its a bit like buying a house and putting all your overtime payments as your full income, the bank think o thats all right they make a lot, Then suddanly you lose all your overtime, should we feel sorry for you, or should we just think well its your own fault for wanting more thanu could afford. Look at the acconts and tell me that there is not a viable route even with mezeron working, if you take out the div that are taken out the company is still in profit, remember 20 odd million a year in div, they have bled the sp dry every year, and they have bleed the isle of man people dry. That is the fault of the SP and noboody eles

That is true, and yes the SP did not know who it was for as it was booked on by a diffrent company, cant see its graylaws fault. mezeron did not have to ship to douglas, they diden have to do anything graylaw wanted, they seen an opeing and they took it.

having a bit of a problem with that figure (eg.) £1000 - 150% means they pay you £500 to carry your freight ? sorry, but I don't quite ..... back to the drawing board well you would think that. fools and a job half worked out but as the things i ship, have to come on there own trailer from the UK if i use the SP, i have to pay for the trailer both ways, so 2k 150% £500. should maybe have stated that, but there we go

If there has to be redundancies there has to be, We dont have a given right to a job, yes it may well be a loss but that is the way the world works. I think you find the ben improved once they stuck some more ballast in the bottem of it!!!! how do you work out there here just to make a quick buck, i have shipped with mezeron for over 6 years been picking stuff up for others for around 10 years, and the reason because they are 150% cheaper than the SP on the things i need to bring in and ship out. yes a 150%, belive it. so this quick buck you are thinking there are here for i think you could be vary vary wrong. because they been here a while so your a bit wrong on that. or have i missed something