mollag Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 It all sounds a bit like Taleban justice too me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I’m all in favour of punishment being punishment and an ardent critic of the UK so called “justice” system but this time they got it right, though possibly were a bit lenient. I'm starting to think that this bloke's main crime was being Asian, rather than the supposedly disproportionate response. His crime was being Asian? I don't understand where you are coming from with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I’m all in favour of punishment being punishment and an ardent critic of the UK so called “justice” system but this time they got it right, though possibly were a bit lenient. I'm starting to think that this bloke's main crime was being Asian, rather than the supposedly disproportionate response. His crime was being Asian? I don't understand where you are coming from with that. I think that if he'd been a white middle class rotarian then the judge would have shaken his hand not given him 30 months. As Mollag inadvertently said - sounds like Taliban justice. Don't want those Asians and their "eye for an eye" mentality taking justice into their own hands now do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Good on the bloke he should have beat the fucker harder and got his moneys worth. To break a cricket bat on the scrotes' head the intention is obviously to kill. So the sentence is probably just. Personally I would have smashed the patellas to shards. Crippled for the rest of your painful life, but obviously no intention to kill - win/win. Difficult to be rational with that ringing in your ears though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think that if he'd been a white middle class rotarian then the judge would have shaken his hand not given him 30 months. As Mollag inadvertently said - sounds like Taliban justice. Don't want those Asians and their "eye for an eye" mentality taking justice into their own hands now do we?Well he did chase after them through the street and then kept smacking this guy round the head enough to cause him brain damage. He was no longer protecting his family but was rather exacting revenge. I don't suppose any judge can determine a sentence without taking that into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think that if he'd been a white middle class rotarian then the judge would have shaken his hand not given him 30 months. As Mollag inadvertently said - sounds like Taliban justice. Don't want those Asians and their "eye for an eye" mentality taking justice into their own hands now do we?Well he did chase after them through the street and then kept smacking this guy round the head enough to cause him brain damage. He was no longer protecting his family but was rather exacting revenge. I don't suppose any judge can determine a sentence without taking that into consideration. You have a good point LDV, but I still think it was a little unfair to him considering the emotional damage it did to him/his family. Interesting to see that this didn't stop the person from offending later though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I thought the person had offended before, not after. I thought he was brain damaged now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I think that if he'd been a white middle class rotarian then the judge would have shaken his hand not given him 30 months. As Mollag inadvertently said - sounds like Taliban justice. Don't want those Asians and their "eye for an eye" mentality taking justice into their own hands now do we?Well he did chase after them through the street and then kept smacking this guy round the head enough to cause him brain damage. He was no longer protecting his family but was rather exacting revenge. I don't suppose any judge can determine a sentence without taking that into consideration. As I said in my original post - his wife thought their younger child had been killed, and they trussed them up with their hands behind their backs and forced to crawl around their own house on their knees whilst they robbed and beat them. I'd have certainly kicked the shit out of the bastards. No questions asked I'm afraid. In my book I think disproportionate is very hard to gauge if your wife is telling you that she thinks one of your children is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ok, but you are talking about vengeance now, which isn't something that the law allows the public to carry out. Nevertheless, I think if it is the case that he thought his child had been killed then such a response is understandable and should be taken into account when meting out any form of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I have been in the situation where we had found a thief in our home [Douglas] hiding under a bed. My brother and i removed him from the premises, roughly, got him out side, pinned him to the floor and awaited the police who, upon arrival, arrested us! This was due to the fact that they knew not who were the bad guys. We were released, without charge because we had used reasonable force to remove and restrain the perp, had we beat the hell out of him just to vent our anger, then we would have been charged with gbh. The thief was deported next day Yes i feel some sympathy with these guys but they went too far, were found guilty by a jury and should be penalised pro rata. Personally i think their sentence was not so much for the violence but more for the crime of circumventing the legal system which the system will not tolerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Roo Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I have been in the situation where we had found a thief in our home [Douglas] hiding under a bed. My brother and i removed him from the premises, roughly, got him out side, pinned him to the floor and awaited the police who, upon arrival, I do wonder if it might have been a different story if your brother had not been there with you, you may have used more force if you were on your own just to make sure the guy couldnt get away! Glad it was all ok for you and nobody was hurt but i for one would not have blamed you for doing what was needed to defend your home or possibly your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 Tories pledge householder rights http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8423043.stm A Conservative government would consider strengthening the rights of householders who tackle burglars, the shadow home secretary has said. Chris Grayling told the Sunday Telegraph the Tories would review the legislation. It follows the case of Munir Hussain, who was jailed for beating a man who tied up his family in their home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Tories pledge householder rights http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8423043.stm A Conservative government would consider strengthening the rights of householders who tackle burglars, the shadow home secretary has said. Chris Grayling told the Sunday Telegraph Torygraph the Tories would review the legislation. It follows the case of Munir Hussain, who was jailed for beating trying to kill a man who tied up his family in their home. Fixed! Populist bollox for the ballot box. Sure they'll "review" the legislation - and then not do anything! It worries me they might form the next UK "legislation". God help us all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonday Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 Quite right, after all Gordon Brown has done such a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 He has, hasn't he, which means that any different government is going to be better, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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