Gay Muslims Made Homeless By Family Violence

[La_Dolce_Vita]

I've always considered it to belong to such a minority that it doesn't pose any particular threat to anyone - other than, possibly, to adolescents who might be suffering confusion about their sexual identities at that stage of their development.

This issue of threat actually depends on what we are talking about. The fact that homosexual people are now more open about their sexuality, after fighting back against the very real threats (and worse) from heterosexuals does mean that certain values and perspectives and matters are under threat. I do very much believe that the openess of gay men (and straight) in society who do not conform to the very constrictive heterosexual ideal of the masculine man means men are evidently more relaxed about moving out of such ideals. You see it with how people dress and behave in Manchester. You don't need all this masculine posturing. Camp gay men and more masculine lesbian women subvert the gender dichotomies. And transsexuals do the same in other ways.

 

And what is the threat to adolescents exactly? Confusion is not the same as threat, is it? And if people and society were less homophobic, more open-minded, and less repressed about sexuality then there would be far more ease at just doing as you please. None of this situation of being boxed into unrealisitic categories of absolutely straight or gay.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Who cares if its nature or nurture anyway?

 

Whats it going to change even if we do know?

 

If its two consensual adults then who is anyone to judge what happens in the bedroom?!?!

 

I really dont care if Rog thinks gay people are perverts, its got nothing to do with him what people get up to.

But being gay is not just about what you do in bed. Anyone who would believe that is grossly naive of their sexuality.

Your sexuality is in how you dress, how you behave, who you relate to, etc. It is a very public things for heterosexual people. Though heterosexual people in general don't like homsexual people to display their sexuality. One hint of a open display of your sexuality, maybe in top you wore or something obviously non-heterosexual, and invoke the complaints and disdain from heterosexuals around you. It's hypocritical.

[aimeejulia]

Sexuality encompasses all the things you've mentioned LDV but how we dress, behave etc is also heavily influenced by society and the media and often we see people who don't go with the flow as different and therefore not right - this is of course a problem that society has in always seeking to keep a sort of norm to follow which inevitably results in those that don't fit within those rules being shunned and they are intentionally made to feel that they do not fully belong.

 

A shift in how society thinks comes from the individuals that consciously what to shift towards different norms.

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Of course, your society has a massive effect on who you are and what your personality is. If you grow up in today's society you are taught to behave and look a certain way depending on your sex - you are assigned a gender role. You are also expected to behave, look, act, and be heterosexuality from a very early age (pre-teen), in other words people try and shape children's sexual identities when they are infancts. And everyone moves on from there. We are a product of our society. Except for homosexual people we have recognise that our desires and ways of seeing the world stand in opposition and are treated as a threat to all those expectations and ways of being that society has taught (indoctrinated) us to be. Unless sexuality as we know it today is radically changed - such as the end to this strict dichotomy of sexualities, the only normal is heterosexuality. It is what society expects and wants, because of the homophobia in society. How they come to an end is a difficult thing to consider.

[aimeejulia]

trends come and go and it might take quite a long time and depends on many variants, but society is an ever changing monster so change is on the way and the first step to eradicate homophobia is to know it and to recognise it for what it is

[gazza]

Rog is actually quite right - heterosexuality is normal whilst homosexuality is abnormal. It is also common (as in normal). Also, given that homosexuality is abnormal it is deviant. It is also perverted in that the purpose of sex is reproduction so clearly homosexuality is perverted. Therefore it is perfectly accurate to describe homosexuals as perverted and deviant. The problem seems to be that people will insist in subjectively loading the terms with emotion.

The purpose of sex is reproduction? Really? Well...all you need do is look at the average straight bloke eyeing up the ladies in a club to recognise that it isn't a family he is planning. Clearly the purpose of a good shag is to have some fun.

 

 

But

LDV thats the way men are, its 2 million years worth of DNA to reproduce to keep alive.

Its in our blood and there is nowt we can do about it.

And its no diffrent in this day and age

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Well...it is (except nowadays) the only way to reproduce. Sex is the manner in which animals reproduce and in that way it is the purpose of sex. But it is not the reason why animals make a conscious decisions or why they respond to their urges to have sex - they do it to satisfy those urges and find enjoyment.

[gazza]

Well...it is (except nowadays) the only way to reproduce. Sex is the manner in which animals reproduce and in that way it is the purpose of sex. But it is not the reason why animals make a conscious decisions or why they respond to their urges to have sex - they do it to satisfy those urges and find enjoyment.

 

animals dont have sex to satisfy there urges and find enjoyment

[La_Dolce_Vita]

Don't they? Dogs, cats, monkeys, horses, etc..., what do you think they do it for?

[gazza]

They do it to reproduce