La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Ah fuck off Albert. That wasn't that funny at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Wasn't supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 However if your not doing anything wrong why worry about getting searched. I'm a law abiding member of the community but I wouldn't willingly let some nosy police officer root through my pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 However if your not doing anything wrong why worry about getting searched. I'm a law abiding member of the community but I wouldn't willingly let some nosy police officer root through my pockets. They would need a reason to search you, the ones who usually moan about being searched are usually the people who are up to no good. I am also a law abiding person and have no problem with being stopped and searched/asked questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Maybe they are usually. But what of those who moan when they have done no wrong or are doing no wrong? It's a very serious attack on someone's privacy and the most important private, i.e. that of the body. And you have no problem being stopped and searched when you have done no wrong? I either think that you have never been searched or that you have little appreciation of freedoms (and maybe not of your own privacy - which could be quite exciting, PM me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisenchuk Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I can understand Thommo's point but it is naive not to take into account the few occasions where those in Authority abuse their powers. As a law abiding person I find most of our Police reasonable and courteous but I have also witnessed the occasional authoritarian rogue amongst them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hazard Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 However if your not doing anything wrong why worry about getting searched. I'm a law abiding member of the community but I wouldn't willingly let some nosy police officer root through my pockets. They would need a reason to search you, the ones who usually moan about being searched are usually the people who are up to no good. I am also a law abiding person and have no problem with being stopped and searched/asked questions. Maybe they are usually. But what of those who moan when they have done no wrong or are doing no wrong? It's a very serious attack on someone's privacy and the most important private, i.e. that of the body. And you have no problem being stopped and searched when you have done no wrong? I either think that you have never been searched or that you have little appreciation of freedoms (and maybe not of your own privacy - which could be quite exciting, PM me) Definitely. If you're a law abiding person with nothing to hide then surely a search would be even more offensive than if you were carrying something illicit? At least with the latter you'd be possibly expecting it and your only real problem with it would be the fact that the offending article would be discovered, rather than the actual act of being searched. Or you haven't been touched in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 I can understand Thommo's point but it is naive not to take into account the few occasions where those in Authority abuse their powers. As a law abiding person I find most of our Police reasonable and courteous but I have also witnessed the occasional authoritarian rogue amongst them. I understand how Thommo is looking at things, but it isn't a good way of looking of things. He's ok with having his clothes searched, what about his car? What if he is strip-searched for a more thorough look and maybe then to have some fingers inserted up the hole to look for anything. Would Thommo walk away thinking it would be all fine? If not, when is it not all right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I can understand Thommo's point but it is naive not to take into account the few occasions where those in Authority abuse their powers. As a law abiding person I find most of our Police reasonable and courteous but I have also witnessed the occasional authoritarian rogue amongst them. I understand how Thommo is looking at things, but it isn't a good way of looking of things. He's ok with having his clothes searched, what about his car? What if he is strip-searched for a more thorough look and maybe then to have some fingers inserted up the hole to look for anything. Would Thommo walk away thinking it would be all fine? If not, when is it not all right? When they're only pretending to be policemen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 I can understand Thommo's point but it is naive not to take into account the few occasions where those in Authority abuse their powers. As a law abiding person I find most of our Police reasonable and courteous but I have also witnessed the occasional authoritarian rogue amongst them. I understand how Thommo is looking at things, but it isn't a good way of looking of things. He's ok with having his clothes searched, what about his car? What if he is strip-searched for a more thorough look and maybe then to have some fingers inserted up the hole to look for anything. Would Thommo walk away thinking it would be all fine? If not, when is it not all right? Been watching to many movies they don't stick on the rubber gloves and shove fingers up there to have a look. To answer your question no I wouldnt have a problem they have to have a reason to search you even more of a reason to strip search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well…I may have seen this on a porn movie. I don’t know. But you’re not thinking here. You are a law-abiding citizen. You’ve done nothing to break the law and have no intention of doing so. Now you’re being strip searched. You are perfectly fine with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornetman Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) .. Edited August 23, 2016 by hornetman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 ATTORNEY GENERAL v. COWLEY and KINRADE 1522 - 1920 MLR 107 (PC) Decided in the mid 1860's. This was a case where two men were prosecuted for trespassing onto the queens land, the forest, ie the moorland, (now public land held on trust for the crown for the public service of the Isle of Man) makes it quite clear in Manx terms that land owned by the state is private. The two men being prosecuted believed the land was "common" and they could go where they wanted Mr Wright, Who exactly is "the state" defined as? Who gets to proclaim "L'etat C'est Moi" in the Isle of Man? The Queen? Tynwald? I was under the impression there was some sort of ambiguity about the Isle of Man Government's legal existence, and that each department was a stand-alone legal entity -- can you confirm whether that is the case? Personally, I think in a modern classical liberal nation, it is the electorate who ought to be regarded as the state, and the ultimate arbiter of sovereignty, but I appreciate that we still live in the 1500s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 But you’re not thinking here. You are a law-abiding citizen. You’ve done nothing to break the law and have no intention of doing so. Now you’re being strip searched. You are perfectly fine with that? This is why the Isle of Man needs a Bill of Rights: Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Thanks for that, Hornetman. I wonder what 'reasonable' grounds are for suspecting drugs or stolen goods. Edited April 16, 2013 by La_Dolce_Vita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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