Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 My vote is NO but I am curious if the Native Americans had some equivalent of habeas corpus and due due process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear? That's a bit of a cryptic response. What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 You're channelling LDV with that approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOMRS97 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Judging by the way people treat each other, and what they consider to be important, (although there are exceptions), the answer is clearly "No!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 As cultures go there are innumerable things we could do better. There are multiple injustices and a massive waste of human talent due to social failings. That said I'd pick this culture over basically any other I know about. The saccharine portrayal of a romanticized image of Native American society TJ chose to start this thread with is a myth. There is plenty of evidence that violence and warfare were a part of that society and infanticide, bride kidnap, slavery, and ritual sacrifice are all well documented. Native American society was simply not organized enough to provide the wealth needed to provide material well being. Certainly there were many noble people within its society, as there are many noble people in ours, but the lack of basic security in food, health, and welfare gave Native American societies a death rate orders of magnitude greater than ours and that had a consequence in its basic attitudes to life. I am very glad I do not live in such a society. We can learn its wisdom, but the knowledge that gives us does not make up for its multiple failings that should not be glossed over in over romanticized pap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Judging by the way people treat each other, and what they consider to be important, (although there are exceptions), the answer is clearly "No!" I believe we are a barbaric society, but when I say "we" I don't mean any country or continent but the entire world order founded on the cut-throat pseudo-philosophy of gain wealth, forgetting all but self. I hope everyone will read Albert Einstein's Why Socialism? (1949) and wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 , but the lack of basic security in food, health, and welfare gave Native American societies a death rate orders of magnitude greater than ours Was that before or after we slaughtered all the buffalo, Chinaman? I am aware of no evidence of the natives lacking basic food or health; at least not until the white man showed up and got up to all sorts of shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 The saccharine portrayal of a romanticized image of Native American society TJ chose to start this thread with is a myth. There is plenty of evidence that violence and warfare were a part of that society and infanticide, bride kidnap, slavery, and ritual sacrifice are all well documented. Native American society was simply not organized enough to provide the wealth needed to provide material well being. Certainly there were many noble people within its society, as there are many noble people in ours, but the lack of basic security in food, health, and welfare gave Native American societies a death rate orders of magnitude greater than ours and that had a consequence in its basic attitudes to life. What the F**k do you think you are doing? You of all people should know that facts are not accepted on MF - especially on threads started by TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 The saccharine portrayal of a romanticized image of Native American society TJ chose to start this thread with is a myth. There is plenty of evidence that violence and warfare were a part of that society and infanticide, bride kidnap, slavery, and ritual sacrifice are all well documented. Native American society was simply not organized enough to provide the wealth needed to provide material well being. Certainly there were many noble people within its society, as there are many noble people in ours, but the lack of basic security in food, health, and welfare gave Native American societies a death rate orders of magnitude greater than ours and that had a consequence in its basic attitudes to life. What the F**k do you think you are doing? You of all people should know that facts are not accepted on MF - especially on threads started by TJ Chinaman went into a big critique of the Native Americans but I notice not one word against the supposedly civilised society we live in. Does the word "Holocaust" ring a bell? How about "Slavery"? Or "Crusades"? Or "Witch trials"? Or "Workhouses"? Or how about "colonialism"? Or what about "reservations"? The idea that we have anything to teach the Native Americans about being civilised is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 TJ you should be really embarrassed by your inability to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 TJ you should be really embarrassed by your inability to read. Sorry, did I miss where you mentioned the Native Americans gassing 6 million people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Godwin's law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Godwin's law. It's not Godwin's law. Our society produced the Nazis and the Holocaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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