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Slightly different topics. This thread is about refugees/asylum seekers. In the case of refugees/asylum seekers the influx of people on small boats is so much larger than the numbers the UK take via the managed system that it caused the managed system to basically collapse. For approved migration with a work or dependent visa the system does function, but the numbers are unsustainable. Employers need to train and bring in productivity gains to employ locals rather than relying on cheap imported labour. Different issue.

What a strange comment. Ok???!

Just to explain about methane. Methane is a very potent green house gas. You can see it listed in the graph above. One of the issues with it is that it quite quickly breaks down into CO2. The CO2 is only permanently removed from the atmosphere very slowly - in a scale of centuries to millennia (note this is different from the temporary removal into a organic carbon sink which will later rot releasing the CO2 again. These removal and release via temporary carbon sinks are in equilibrium so don't lower CO2 levels). The process of permanently removing CO2 is chemical weathering of rocks and is geological in its timeframes. Over these centuries the short period of very highly heat trapping via methane is added to by a much longer but less heat trapping period as CO2. The end result is that CO2 is a more important influence. See the chart above where Methane is contributing about 1 W/m2 and CO2 1.65W/m2.

Just to follow up on the above, individuals aren't subject to cultural determinism. Any particular individual will have different social and cultural behaviours which may be very different from the cultural and social norms within their societies. To presume a given individual may behave in a certain way is to adopt lazy social stereotypes and is very likely to be wrong. The challenge is for policy makers who have to make policy for the mass population. Immigrants from certain cultures are likely to need more support than others, but mistaking this for how an individual behaves is to miss the tree for the woods.

The central England temperature record is a wonderful testament to the long term patience of a certain breed of person who has persuaded a group of interested colleagues to record the max-min temperatures on a series of thermometers every day since 1660 - the Royal Society is one of the entire world's most important cultural goods.

I'm going to strongly challenge this because it goes to the root of many issues. Culture matters, this isn't a racial thing, it isn't inherent, it is learnt acculturated social behaviours. To misunderstand this is so typical of a certain mindset. Certain cultures are better at creating and sharing wealth than others. The reasons for this are legion and historically very complex, but that doesn't change the fact that certain cultures arriving in the UK are going to do better than others at fitting in, getting on, assisting economically and socially. To get knickers in a twist and start calling people racist for stating this simple fact shows just how ideologically dogmatic certain sections of our politics have become.

Moving this post to where it belongs to stop a thread derail. If you look at heat records the trend for heat records to be increasingly broken is pretty strong worldwide. Obviously certain places had extreme temperature events less recently, but the general trend is pretty clear. Your second set of issues are absolutely miniscule in their effects compared to the climate forcing from doubling CO2 levels in the atmosphere. These figures, showing a radiative forcing increase of between about 1 and 3 watts per square meter are pretty robust. These are physical properties you can measure and they make a bit difference. We can understand the radiative forcings which move the earth into and out of ice ages as the Milankovitch cycles change the earth's orbit. The current changes from the build up of CO2 are of a comparable size, but far far quicker than the slow orbital changes. Genuinely we are massively messing with the world's climate and to deny this is to start to be blind. Humans are not small beer when it comes to the accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere. We are adding it to the atmosphere at absolutely unprecedented rates and its effects are increasingly obvious.

Oh boy talk about an unequal women's final! 6-0, 6-0!

There are 70 million odd people living in the UK and 7 billion odd living elsewhere. Many many of those 7 billion live in circumstances which would give us pause. We cannot give succour to everyone. The result can only be a managed system where the vast majority are not accepted. That is the very simple calculation. Those paying to be trafficked through multiple safe countries to irregularly enter the UK are trying to subvert any managed process. It is unsustainable and any government which doesn't use all the resources necessary to end it are going to be pilloried for it. Australia used Christmas Island, I'd suggest shipping irregular arrivals to Ascension Island. It is only by showing that boat arrivals will not jump the queues that they will stop coming.

IoM is so much more beautiful. More space too. These are important.

Reckless, are you willing to consider the idea of state capture throughout Central America due to narco-gangs. The violence they perpetuate is very significant and a very major law enforcement issue. Again this isn't something which should be partisan.

Fentanyl supply is predominantly controlled by Mexican drug cartels. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg93nn1e6go Mass killings have increased markedly over the last 5 or so years: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081 Gang violence is a genuine issue and transnational gangs importing crime from Mexico and Central America is a legitimate concern.

The huge number of deaths every year due drugs, most of them illegally supplied is a huge tragedy which has exploded in recent years.

If you like history and geography and how polities have changed over time this is a pretty good website: https://www.oldmapsonline.org/en/history/regions#position=2.8043/30.19/80.18/0.77&year=792

Would you read this book, HeliX? Not a gotach, just curious?