thesultanofsheight

But my point is if it’s that important where is the resource in the coronavirus team? If protecting us and our quarantine rules is that important to protect us that people are being thrown in jail you’d have expected hundreds of people to be drafted in straight away surely so that government was all over the process and yet still comparatively few checks are being done by the people actually charged with doing them. Even less so with the police - so really you assume that it can’t be that important at all can it if we’ve got more people making sure the buses and choo choo’s still run and helping to run rundown castles and heritage sites than we have on checking that people are not breaching self isolation rules. That’s why the virus will come back.

Not really as we haven’t policed any of it have we? Almost every person in prison got there because some nosy busybody somewhere reported them (the petrol lady was shopped by the garage). The police or the coronavirus team have found comparatively nobody so the only way the numbers would be higher would be the authorities actually doing something to police the draconian laws they passed. But no in a cowardly way they chose to let members of society turn on each other instead.

Funny then that we’ve jailed now 16 or 17 people for similar ridiculous offenses and yet it’s not stopping anything is it?

She was criminalized for something which is at best poor planning or poor decision making when faced with a situation she probably didn’t anticipate (the fuel light coming on). It’s fine to say if she’d rung the police, if she’d done this, or if she’d done that. But she didn’t probably as she was a bit flustered, or keen to get back home, or really didn’t think the scenario through because her immediate problem was I’m out of fuel and I need to get home ASAP to self isolate. It’s disgusting to criminalize people for things like that.

I appreciate that but a fine seems rarely even an option here so we’re deliberately criminalizing people with custodial sentences for no clear benefit to anyone. Automatic imprisonment for filling the tank of your car on an empty forecourt straight off the boat seems to be massively disproportionate to the risk presented to society. Especially when a few weeks before that two key workers that went to the pub to watch the footie got a fine despite the fact they went to three pubs full of people. Say she just let the car run out of fuel - then the emergency services would have turned up, she’d have to be driven home, the car probably would have to be towed, and she’d have been in contact with 10 times more people than she was. Particularly bearing in mind the petrol station would have had massive plastic screens up to protect people anyway. The risk to the public was absolutely negligible. It’s nuts on just bang someone up for that. In comparison a £1,000 fine might have appeared to be harsh but reasonable. But to give someone a criminal record for that is totally bonkers.

So at least you think that one was wrong then. On the petrol woman how would calling a taxi have presented less risk to the public in that situation? She’d have been sharing the taxi with the driver so probably would have had a better chance of infecting him if she had anything (which she didn’t) than a garage till worker sat behind a big plastic screen as she paid for her petrol in an empty petrol station (it had just opened).

That’s the IOM default answer to everything. The best thing to do is everyone do nothing. Even if that’s for years.

But as I said he was massively taking the piss. A prison sentence isn’t unreasonable in this sort of instance where there was a clear and deliberate attempt made to not comply and to goad the authorities into tracking him down. It’s not fleeing a domestic situation or putting fuel in your car or buying a sandwich.

Yes but reading that story that guy took the absolute piss and goaded the environmental people, he told them directly he had no intention of self isolating, then he diverted his taxi and told them he was going on a bender. He still only got fined. That is not being like the IOM. Here putting some petrol in your car on an empty forecourt because it was empty gets you four weeks in prison. There is no actual comparison. Jersey is nowhere near as totally fucked up in its covid overreaction as we are.

No you are 100% correct. It’s going to get a bit mental now in the run up to Xmas which is why announcements like this need to be managed properly. People can disagree here and go round full circle over many months - but I think most are starting to pick the real issues up right now which has been a real issue with openness and transparency right from the start in favour of passing draconian emergency laws which you can hide behind for everything.

It isn’t really. Unemployment is rising in the UK and many will have serious problems getting back to work. In the 80s the unemployment situation often became generational. There are still legacy issues 30 years or more later from the pit closures and other stuff.

And in contrast when you’re 30 and put on the dole because of covid lockdowns you might have a lovely 30 years to look forward to on benefits and no income. As opposed to six to twelve months before you die anyway in a care home.

It’s the weekend. There will be a lot more divulged around 11:00 on Monday 😁 I agree though. You need to deliver this sort of thing with full context and with full info straight away. It’s like they actively want to start rumours and encourage panic spreading and false information spread doing this sort of half-assed delivery.

Exactly it was embarrassing. Yes the “top” blind charity. Whoever that is and wherever they are.

Your attempts to justify the general covid hysteria are getting funnier by the day.

Nick Biack on the radio today was hilarious. So if they have got it all wrong on disabled access all the curbs etc will have to be ripped out as clearly it’s important that it’s all set up for disabled access. He was a bit sketchy on who they had actually consulted on the disabled access requirements though.

The average stay in a UK care home is 462 days. So on average half will die after just over a year anyway according to the below link. So 28 days (to survive post covid) is a sizable chunk of their statistical remaining life expectancy. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51014346_Length_of_Stay_in_Care_Homes

Thanks for clarifying I couldn’t remember. Good to see facts being debated. I see James Corrin is already using this report to responsibly (not) foretell a second wave hitting here. Irresponsible clown. But it will get the pitchfork mob out posting shite on his site soon enough.

I dont know when the 28 days came in. It wasn’t the definition at the start I don't think.

Correct and you assume they will have to fall in line with standard definitions for reporting purposes even if, say, someone was away for heart treatment and died of a heart attack after testing positive for covid. That’s not an attempt at speculation - that’s just trying to put that 28 day definition into some sort of loose context as the official cause of death could literally be anything but someone also had failed a covid test in the last month.

Dilli seems very envious of the mobile wheelbarrow operators. Hopefully Father Christmas will bring him one.

I wouldn’t want to speculate as this is terrible news for the family concerned. But honest answers now need to be given. They were either being treated for covid contrary to reports the other day, or were being treated for something else but had covid in their system (or as Thommo says maybe they were one of the ones at home and not in the hospital group which seems less likely). People are going to go into meltdown now anyway so they might as well take the opportunity to be honest.

Yes. Firstly massive condolences as this is awful news that no family wants to get. But you’re right - they either died of covid when Ashford was clear that nobody was admitted with covid or was being treated primarily for covid at the hospital, or they died of something else (those two were said to have been away for treatment for existing conditions which could be cancer etc) after testing positive for covid. Either way questions now need to be answered.

I’m not sure it’s even instinct. Just the cheapest and easiest way of managing resources, stifling all debate, and managing all the keep the borders closed idiots. Best not give them any data they can get all frightened about. I now find it very hard to believe that we do not have any community cases to be honest but the minute that genie is out of the bottle all hell is going to break loose which they’re trying to avoid at all costs rather than go down the route of sensible science based options.

That’s just the sort of emotive knee-jerk scaremongering bullshit they will be resorting to.