The Only Honest Uk Politician......

[prism10]

 

 

The general culture of imperialism hasn't changed: the only difference is that our patriarchal overlords now have the commonwealth peoples living here in order to keep British wages artificially low.

As a libertarian you would agree that free movement of people and labour will lead to lower wages, therefore having immigration controls is actually hindering market forces.

 

What immigration control? They don't enforce it, because it helps them keep wages low.

 

That's bad news for ordinary people, and for businesses who rely on people having a disposable income, but it's great news for large transnational corporations (globalists) who can rely on a cheap surplus supply of Labour and therefore pay workers less.

Do you have prove that immigration controls are not enforced?

 

Last time I arrived in Britain from a holiday abroad, I was stuck in the EU/UK citizens line for ages. So I had to prove that I was a UK citizen coming back to my own country. My passport was scanned and checked. If its like this for me, then what is it like for Johnny Foreigner, many of them need to obtain a visa in advance before they can even get on the plane from their home country.

 

If you are so careless about this, what else have you have been careless about in your various posts?

 

As for EU immigration. All it has done is remove border controls for EU citizens, just as one can go from move from Newcastle to Colchester or Glasgow to Carlise, you can move from Nice to Cologne with a minimum of fuss.

[Ruger]

"Stick the Union Jack up your arse". Lovely?.

 

Personally attacking and lying about Farage as a peaceful democratic candidate won't do shit for the grass roots movement that is behind him. The truth is people have been drawing their own conclusions and never needed Farage/UKIP to convince them of anything. Farage is just representing a movement, seeing him being attacked/bullied/lied about by a mob of abusive street thugs would just make me back him all the more.

 

A bit like Cameron labelling them as 'closet racists and fruitcakes'. What a total backfire that turned out to be.

[ScotsAlan]

I would rather see emigration control.....to keep TJ on the rock.

 

Only joking..... I would rather he jumped off it

 

Seriously though, it's not the fault of immagrants that the jobs have left the UK. It's the bankers doing their capatalist shit that has done that. Maggie started it, then Blair followed through with his service sector solution.

 

If I had a newspaper shop in Castletown, I would love to pay someone £60 an hour to do the early shift. But I would have to charge £8 per paper. That would not work would it? Especially if I employed TJ.... he would not sell any because he would tell the buyers they were buying left wing propagana crap.

 

Immigration is not the problem. The problem is a lack of high value manufacturing jobs. All the UK has left is low paid service jobs that many "locals" don't want to do. That and the invented public sector positions that were non jobs to start with.

 

If UKIP want to be taken seriously they should address the real issue of creating jobs rather than blame the people who have the balls to get on their bikes to earn minimum wage. No matter how far they have to bike it.

 

I think UKIP tries to cater towards the Maggie fans. She promised the new middle class all sorts of riches, while she was selling them out to the bankers. Maggie's policy has failed. And who better to blame than the people getting on their bikes to find work.

 

I say, you get what you vote for. Englang voted for Maggie and see where they are now. Scotland never voted for Maggie, and somehow they seem better off for it. Go figure.

 

Sorry if this rant seems a bit back and forward. Trying to reply to many points in this thread

[Lxxx]

Angry Scots calling him a racist and fascist. Gotta love that.

[ScotsAlan]

Erm.... did I say that?

 

Nop.

[Lxxx]

Erm.... did I say that?

 

Nop.

It's not all about you precious, I was referring to the idiots who were heckling Farage in Edinburgh, as per the thread topic.

[ScotsAlan]

Of course immigration has to be controlled. If every world border was opened tomorrow everyone would be heading to where they thought they would be better off.

 

Europe, as a whole, is dealing with it the right way I think.

 

Want to join Europe? ok, no problem. Show us that your doing a good job of bringing people out of poverty. Once you have shown you have good health care and good social care, then you can join our club. What's the advantage of joining the club? Hey.... so your people can work in our country and our people can work in yours...

 

I see nothing wrong with that. they have a right to live and work here. We have a right to live and work there.

 

We can buy holiday homes in France, or Spain, or anywhere in Europe ( Not true blood Manx of course.... but it is a UKIP thread). We can go work in Germany or Poland. We have an immense choice of countries we can go live in.

 

Want to be socialist? Go to a France. Want to make cars... go to Germany. Want to retire to Spain? Hey... off you go then.

 

Want to sit in the pub and moan about immigrants..... vote UKIP.

[ScotsAlan]

 

Erm.... did I say that?

 

Nop.

It's not all about you precious, I was referring to the idiots who were heckling Farage in Edinburgh, as per the thread topic.

Sorry. Your post was directly below mine. I assumed wrong

[Thomas Jefferson]

If I had a newspaper shop in Castletown, I would love to pay someone £60 an hour to do the early shift. But I would have to charge £8 per paper. That would not work would it? Especially if I employed TJ.... he would not sell any because he would tell the buyers they were buying left wing propagana crap.

 

 

 

Nobody is asking for workers to be paid £60 per hour. Pay them £8.50 per hour would be more reasonable. As for newspapers, they don't make profit from people buying the papers; they make profit by selling readers to advertisers. So selling the paper at a lower price may be more sensible if you want to sell more readers to advertisers.

[prism10]

Immigration is not the problem. The problem is a lack of high value manufacturing jobs. All the UK has left is low paid service jobs that many "locals" don't want to do. That and the invented public sector positions that were non jobs to start with.

 

If UKIP want to be taken seriously they should address the real issue of creating jobs rather than blame the people who have the balls to get on their bikes to earn minimum wage. No matter how far they have to bike it.

Plenty of good points in your last few posts.

 

The UK has plenty of manufacturing jobs but the low paid stuff has all gone to the far east and we have to keep chasing the cutting edge manufacturing work which brings in the big money and along with North Sea oil that keeps us on an even keel.

 

I cannot see one UKIP voter or BNP voter or EDL supporter which would do the crappy jobs for minimum wage or if truth be told below minimum wage that many of the immigrants do.

[Thomas Jefferson]

I cannot see one UKIP voter or BNP voter or EDL supporter which would do the crappy jobs for minimum wage or if truth be told below minimum wage that many of the immigrants do.

 

If it wasn't for so many immigrants, they wouldn't be able to keep the minimum wage so artificially low; they'd have to increase it, and then British people would be willing to do those jobs.

[prism10]

 

I cannot see one UKIP voter or BNP voter or EDL supporter which would do the crappy jobs for minimum wage or if truth be told below minimum wage that many of the immigrants do.

 

If it wasn't for so many immigrants, they wouldn't be able to keep the minimum wage so artificially low; they'd have to increase it, and then British people would be willing to do those jobs.

Do you have any evidence to validate your remark?

 

We only have the minimum wage thanks to a Labour government. The Tories were tooth and nail against it and rather leave it to market forces. If it was up to market forces, the level of wages would be lower than the current minimum wage.

[Thomas Jefferson]

 

 

I cannot see one UKIP voter or BNP voter or EDL supporter which would do the crappy jobs for minimum wage or if truth be told below minimum wage that many of the immigrants do.

 

If it wasn't for so many immigrants, they wouldn't be able to keep the minimum wage so artificially low; they'd have to increase it, and then British people would be willing to do those jobs.

Do you have any evidence to validate your remark?

 

We only have the minimum wage thanks to a Labour government. The Tories were tooth and nail against it and rather leave it to market forces. If it was up to market forces, the level of wages would be lower than the current minimum wage.

 

It was the Tories who opened up the country to mass immigration to drive down the wages. It backfired when the immigrants started voting Labour, which is when the Tories suddenly reversed their immigration policy.

 

I have no idea what these mystical "market forces" are that you're referring to. The biggest market force is and always will be the government.

[prism10]

 

 

 

I cannot see one UKIP voter or BNP voter or EDL supporter which would do the crappy jobs for minimum wage or if truth be told below minimum wage that many of the immigrants do.

 

If it wasn't for so many immigrants, they wouldn't be able to keep the minimum wage so artificially low; they'd have to increase it, and then British people would be willing to do those jobs.

Do you have any evidence to validate your remark?

 

We only have the minimum wage thanks to a Labour government. The Tories were tooth and nail against it and rather leave it to market forces. If it was up to market forces, the level of wages would be lower than the current minimum wage.

 

It was the Tories who opened up the country to mass immigration to drive down the wages. It backfired when the immigrants started voting Labour, which is when the Tories suddenly reversed their immigration policy.

When did this happen?

 

When did Tories open the country up to mass immigration?

 

Surely you can supply some evidence even some link by googling it.

[pongo]

I find Farage funny when he is berating Barosso in the EU Parliament. I enjoy listening to him. And in general he seems like the sort of person who would be fun company.

 

But here is the thing: Farage has said many times in interviews that he is basically a libertarian and that in this respect (he has said) he is out of step with most of the people who support UKIP (and they do seem in general to be reactionary little englanders and dullards - certainly not libertarian or open minded in any sense). He has said that his own beliefs could never become UKIP policy.

 

As a libertarian he presumably supports free trade and the free movement of capital, goods, people etc. In this respect I do wonder what UKIP is all about since Farage seems to have very little in common with his party.