Lxxx Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 It seems there's only Nigel Farage that has the balls to speak up for democracy and the Greek people, the rest of our MP's seem to have ducked this issue and decided it's none of our business. Well what happens to Greece today will be the UK tomorrow; this Greek 'experiment' of banker occupation must fail otherwise it's the rest of europe next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well what happens to Greece today will be the UK tomorrow Cobblers. Do you have *any* idea what the alternative is to the bailout fund actually is? As has been said many times, if Greece defaults the consequences will be far, far worse. This is not about democracy, it's about mature fiscal management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Before you come back with some ill-conceived quotes, you may wish to read this: http://digitaljournal.com/article/319471 Here's just one paragraph: "The report went on to say that there would be no goods or foods in supermarkets, no medicines and no petrol in petrol stations. Five hundred thousand people would lose their public service jobs and pensioners would be left to their own fate. Banks would lose their lending ability and ATM's would be disabled." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Nigel Farage is a top bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endovelicus Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 This says otherwise - and its from UKIP members. http://ukip-vs-eukip.blogspot.com/ Democracy is already dead in UKIP. Just ask UKIP members in London if you doubt us! The internal elections for the London Assembly were held and this was the result: 1 David Coburn 2 Lawrence Webb 3 Paul Oakley 4 Steven Woolfe 5 Helen Dixon 6 Elizabeth Jones Nigel was not happy with this result as Steven Woolfe - his chosen candidate - had failed to come top. So Farage had the list changed! 1 Steven Woolfe, 2 David Coburn, 3 Lawrence Webb, 4 Helen Dixon, 5 Elizabeth Jones 6 Paul Oakley And why is Steven Woolfe the chosen one? Because he can be counted on to do as he told. And that is why Mr Woolfe has been promised a top slot on the MEP lists. As we have said before: Steven Woolfe - London Assembly candidate and Farage sycophant - has been promised a lead position on one of the lists. More than one one source has told Junius that Farage wants Woolfe to replace Gerard Batten as lead London MEP candidate. Indeed, the assembly list was altered to ensure that Woolfe became lead candidate despite David Coburn having received the most votes in the internal party elections for the list. Woolfe should have been fourth on the list but Farage - via the NEC - changed it! And how we laughed when a slightly drunk Farage was witnessed reading the riot act to Woolfe outside a Westminster pub. This concerned Steven's reluctance to stand in the London Assembly elections. Nigel was heard to tell him that standing in the LA elections was essential if he still wanted to become an MEP. Farage also boasted that HE would have the final say on who stands as an MEP after the proposed constitutional changes were approved because, "I will control the lists as I control the NEC". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwash.im Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 One of my best mates works with Farage. Let me do some snooping and I'll report back ... Yoda ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Before you come back with some ill-conceived quotes, you may wish to read this: http://digitaljourna.../article/319471 Here's just one paragraph: "The report went on to say that there would be no goods or foods in supermarkets, no medicines and no petrol in petrol stations. Five hundred thousand people would lose their public service jobs and pensioners would be left to their own fate. Banks would lose their lending ability and ATM's would be disabled." Here is another view: http://www.multirati...is_Sept2011.pdf In my view Greece is insolvent. By far the best, and ultimately least costly, strategy would be for the country to exit the euro unilaterally This will almost certainly imply defaulting on its external obligations, but the enormous advantage of being able to resume growth and reasonably full employment within a year or two (as Argentina did after abandoning convertibility in 2001) far outweighs the costly and dismal prospect of either of the alternatives. Personally, having worked in that part of the world, I don't think the Greeks will be able to take the pressure of the EU bailout conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 This says otherwise - and its from UKIP members. http://ukip-vs-eukip.blogspot.com/ Democracy is already dead in UKIP. Just ask UKIP members in London if you doubt us! The internal elections for the London Assembly were held and this was the result: 1 David Coburn 2 Lawrence Webb 3 Paul Oakley 4 Steven Woolfe 5 Helen Dixon 6 Elizabeth Jones Nigel was not happy with this result as Steven Woolfe - his chosen candidate - had failed to come top. So Farage had the list changed! 1 Steven Woolfe, 2 David Coburn, 3 Lawrence Webb, 4 Helen Dixon, 5 Elizabeth Jones 6 Paul Oakley And why is Steven Woolfe the chosen one? Because he can be counted on to do as he told. And that is why Mr Woolfe has been promised a top slot on the MEP lists. As we have said before: Steven Woolfe - London Assembly candidate and Farage sycophant - has been promised a lead position on one of the lists. More than one one source has told Junius that Farage wants Woolfe to replace Gerard Batten as lead London MEP candidate. Indeed, the assembly list was altered to ensure that Woolfe became lead candidate despite David Coburn having received the most votes in the internal party elections for the list. Woolfe should have been fourth on the list but Farage - via the NEC - changed it! And how we laughed when a slightly drunk Farage was witnessed reading the riot act to Woolfe outside a Westminster pub. This concerned Steven's reluctance to stand in the London Assembly elections. Nigel was heard to tell him that standing in the LA elections was essential if he still wanted to become an MEP. Farage also boasted that HE would have the final say on who stands as an MEP after the proposed constitutional changes were approved because, "I will control the lists as I control the NEC". I said he was honest in his outspoken views on the Greek situation, I didn't say he wasn't corrupt. You have to be corrupt to make it up the ladder in politics, that's a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Well what happens to Greece today will be the UK tomorrow Cobblers. Do you have *any* idea what the alternative is to the bailout fund actually is? As has been said many times, if Greece defaults the consequences will be far, far worse. This is not about democracy, it's about mature fiscal management. There's nothing mature about kicking the debt can further down the road for a bit, all the while subjecting millions of people to abject poverty, financial ruin and a lack of basic human needs to exist. Better to take the pain now and try to rebuild than to store it up for an even bigger shock further down the line. Take a leaf out of Iceland's book and tell the empire-building bureacrats in the EU and their partners in crime the IMF to stick their austerity measures and crack on with rebuilding what was once a proud sovereign nation. http://www.insidefut...%20Default.html The ones championing the fact that Greece CANNOT default are the banking-backed mainstream media who continue to trot out the same lines in the hope it sinks into the collective consciousness. The same banks that have trillions of Greek 'assets' on their balance sheets that will go kaput if Greece gives them the middle finger. If that happens sure there's a chance we'll have bank runs across europe, perhaps the UK, capital controls probably as well as potential bank holidays but this will happen eventually anyway as a system built on perpetual debt has reached it's climax, we are in the greatest debt bubble the world has ever seen, it's going to pop at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Goblin Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 [There's nothing mature about kicking the debt can further down the road for a bit, all the while subjecting millions of people to abject poverty, financial ruin and a lack of basic human needs to exist. Better to take the pain now and try to rebuild than to store it up for an even bigger shock further down the line. Take a leaf out of Iceland's book and tell the empire-building bureacrats in the EU and their partners in crime the IMF to stick their austerity measures and crack on with rebuilding what was once a proud sovereign nation. http://www.insidefut...%20Default.html The ones championing the fact that Greece CANNOT default are the banking-backed mainstream media who continue to trot out the same lines in the hope it sinks into the collective consciousness. The same banks that have trillions of Greek 'assets' on their balance sheets that will go kaput if Greece gives them the middle finger. If that happens sure we'll have bank runs across europe, perhaps the UK, capital controls probably as well as potential bank holidays but this will happen eventually anyway as a system built on perpetual debt has reached it's climax, we are in the greatest debt bubble the world has ever seen, it's going to pop at some stage. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have read somewhere that although the Greek crisis is bad and very bad for the Greeks themselves if you compare their whole economy with others they are actually smaller than a few individual US States. When you look at it like that I tend to think the "end of the world as we know it", if they default, statements look a bit hollow. Last time I looked California was in a pretty bad way? On a day to day level I am more concerned to learn that our Local Authorities owe 171million and IIRC the MEA Bond is about 300million?, add them together and probably more that has not come to light and we owe very close to what we have in liquid reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tameelf Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 whats the latest news on iceland ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credente Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 whats the latest news on iceland ??? Kerry Katona doesn't go there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 whats the latest news on iceland ??? Good question, and there is a reason you won't read about it in the mainstream media. http://www.truth-out.org/why-iceland-should-be-news-not/1322327303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endovelicus Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 whats the latest news on iceland ??? Good question, and there is a reason you won't read about it in the mainstream media. http://www.truth-out...-not/1322327303 Not in the 'mainstream media? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100015053/icelands-viking-victory/ http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news/9533061.Icelandic_cash_repaid_to_Wiltshire_Council/ http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/2012131144757624586.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/iceland-makes-fledgling-recovery-from-its-economic-meltdown/2012/01/12/gIQAW1q83P_story.html They all seem pretty 'mainstream' to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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