P.K. Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, HeliX said: Don't need to, the UN already agrees. Israel has broken 62 UN resolutions (Iraq broke 2 and got invaded). https://press.un.org/en/2023/ga12548.doc.htm https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/ https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians So you haven't actually done anything for the "cause" then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, P.K. said: So you haven't actually done anything for the "cause" then... I guess I didn't realise the options were writing to the UN to satisfy a whingebag on a forum or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Just now, HeliX said: I guess I didn't realise the options were writing to the UN to satisfy a whingebag on a forum or nothing. Oh the irony! Weapons grade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, HeliX said: Israel has broken 62 UN resolutions (Iraq broke 2 and got invaded). Too busy but highly suspicious of this. Firstly you need to distinguish between General Assembly resolutions ... Hand wringing with no legal import ... And Security Council resolutions ... Legally valid. Israel is regularly a General Assembly whipping boy and is far more likely to be censured for actions Egypt Syria Saudi Russia Myanmar the US (in Iraq etc) the UK (in Iraq etc and also Northern Ireland) etc etc also regularly do with far less censure. Security Council less so. Why? Yeah the US veto is one reason, an understanding of the bias showed in the GA by all the big boys on the SC another. Lies will make claims about THE JEWS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 53 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Too busy but highly suspicious of this. Firstly you need to distinguish between General Assembly resolutions ... Hand wringing with no legal import ... And Security Council resolutions ... Legally valid. Israel is regularly a General Assembly whipping boy and is far more likely to be censured for actions Egypt Syria Saudi Russia Myanmar the US (in Iraq etc) the UK (in Iraq etc and also Northern Ireland) etc etc also regularly do with far less censure. Security Council less so. Why? Yeah the US veto is one reason, an understanding of the bias showed in the GA by all the big boys on the SC another. Lies will make claims about THE JEWS. I was replying to a question that appealed to the authority of the UN. I don't think a sensible person needs magic words from the UN to figure out that killing 4000 kids isn't "self defence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P.K. Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, HeliX said: I was replying to a question that appealed to the authority of the UN. I don't think a sensible person needs magic words from the UN to figure out that killing 4000 kids isn't "self defence". Every nation has the right to defend itself. Therefore the IDF have been tasked to destroy the murderous thugs called Hamas who attacked Israel. Unfortunately Hamas have no qualms whatsoever about using human shields, a strategy used by scumbags the world over. In a conflict civilian casualties are pretty much inevitable. Using human shields makes the toll much worse. The only other outcomes are: Palestinians turn on Hamas and give them up Hamas surrenders Hamas survive as a terrorist group in Gaza to carry out more atrocities against Israel In other words there are no viable options other than the one being carried out by the IDF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, P.K. said: using human shields, a strategy used by scumbags the world over Quite. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620 Quote The only other outcomes are: Palestinians turn on Hamas and give them up Hamas surrenders Hamas survive as a terrorist group in Gaza to carry out more atrocities against Israel In other words there are no viable options other than the one being carried out by the IDF. How are the Palestinians expected to turn on Hamas? Whilst attempting to survive a siege? Hamas are not accountable to the Palestinian population. The overwhelming majority did not vote for them. Its not like they can vote them out. Israel's strategy consistently targets normal Palestinians more harshly than Hamas. Turning off water, food, electricity and supplies. Who in Gaza is likely to be most robust against that? Hamas, because they knew the attacks were coming. Levelling entire streets, while Hamas allegedly is hidden safely in tunnels. Who does that target? Bombing ambulances. Killing journalists. Either Israel's intention is something other than ridding Gaza of Hamas, or they're incredibly inept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, HeliX said: Quite. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620 How are the Palestinians expected to turn on Hamas? Whilst attempting to survive a siege? Hamas are not accountable to the Palestinian population. The overwhelming majority did not vote for them. Its not like they can vote them out. Israel's strategy consistently targets normal Palestinians more harshly than Hamas. Turning off water, food, electricity and supplies. Who in Gaza is likely to be most robust against that? Hamas, because they knew the attacks were coming. Levelling entire streets, while Hamas allegedly is hidden safely in tunnels. Who does that target? Bombing ambulances. Killing journalists. Either Israel's intention is something other than ridding Gaza of Hamas, or they're incredibly inept. More ridiculous blathering. Targetting journalists indeed. Mind you, it's not a bad idea with some of the anti-Israel stuff they come out with like "carpet bombing".... I can understand turning off water, food, electricity and "supplies" because very very obviously it's stupid to give succour to your enemy. The IDF have no other intentions than to destroy the vermin. Thinking there could be ulterior motives is just daft. And the IDF is anything but inept... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, P.K. said: Thinking there could be ulterior motives is just daft. Should probably ask Netanyahu and the Israeli Govt to stop broadcasting their ulterior motives then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 This really is a complex situation, if Israel and Palestine become two states, they will be both in a continuous state of threat, the culture is so embedded on all sides. If Israel absorbs the Palestinian territories and grants them full citizenship, would they want it, and even if they did population growth threatens the Jewish homeland? What would be a harmonious solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Max Power said: population growth threatens the Jewish homeland? Does it? Only if the goal is an ethnostate. Which I'm not sure is a noble goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, HeliX said: Does it? Only if the goal is an ethnostate. Which I'm not sure is a noble goal. I guess it does, as Palestinians become a majority, the interests of the Jewish homeland come under threat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Max Power said: I guess it does, as Palestinians become a majority, the interests of the Jewish homeland come under threat? Depends what those interests are. If it's for Jews to be able to live peacefully in Eretz Israel then I don't see a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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