dilligaf Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Uhtred said: Well who do you think are running the Cabinet Office? Who is running the effing island, is what I want to know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Who is running the effing island, is what I want to know ? Unelected, unaccountable senior civil servants. And Dandara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kopek said: .... and pay equivalent to dept members or who would want to be the opposition? Cetrtainly the LOTO should have a salary hike - equivalent pay to a MInister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 I was searching for the employee headcount in the Cabinet Office (which I didn't find) when I came across this from iomtoday in 2017: "There are more than 900 central government staff earning above £50,000.00" Presumably these are the people running the government. It is a truly incredible number for an island of this size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 That's a lot of pension payout to come too. Totally unsustainable but the great VAT rip-off has put enough in reserves to line 'em up for plundering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: I was searching for the employee headcount in the Cabinet Office (which I didn't find) when I came across this from iomtoday in 2017: "There are more than 900 central government staff earning above £50,000.00" Presumably these are the people running the government. It is a truly incredible number for an island of this size And they will be pretty much the lowest paid 900! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, finlo said: And they will be pretty much the lowest paid 900! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 hours ago, MrPB said: Certainly not the ministers or politicians. Is the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: Many of us will support the gradual removal of 'silo government', but it has to accompanied by greater scrutiny in Tynwald and the House of Keys. Government cannot be permitted to appoint a majority of Tynwald or the Keys to government positions But there hasn't been any removal of silo government at all. All they have done is create another silo called the Cabinet Office which contains an even higher percentage of people who don't do anything useful than all the other Departments. And in response to Lisvane's call to remove the Departmental Member system that gave automatic majorities to everything, all they did was make even more appointments. Another government reorganisation isn't going to do anything other than cost a lot of money and create loads of new posts and promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: But there hasn't been any removal of silo government at all. All they have done is create another silo called the Cabinet Office which contains an even higher percentage of people who don't do anything useful than all the other Departments. And in response to Lisvane's call to remove the Departmental Member system that gave automatic majorities to everything, all they did was make even more appointments. Another government reorganisation isn't going to do anything other than cost a lot of money and create loads of new posts and promotions. Correct. Are the civil service driving this and, if so, how do they achieve the acquiescence of the entire political community? Or is this a genuine ambition of the likes of Quayle and Thomas with the civil service as their willing vassals rather than calling the shots? I genuinely don’t know. However, for all the slagging that senior civil servants routinely receive on these pages I’ll bet they’re a damn sight brighter and quicker on their feet than dullards such as Quayle, Cregeen and Callister. I remain very concerned however if more and more strategic government activity is vested in the Cabinet Office, as it runs the risk of Quayle actually influencing something that matters. And that wouldn’t do at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Uhtred said: Well who do you think are running the Cabinet Office? That's why I was specific: " under the control of the elected political executive " Sadly, it is not. It's the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Uhtred said: for all the slagging that senior civil servants routinely receive on these pages I’ll bet they’re a damn sight brighter and quicker on their feet than dullards such as Quayle, Cregeen and Callister. You wold lose your bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said: You wold lose your bet. I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 They're just as dim as the politicians they manipulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: They're just as dim as the politicians they manipulate. Well if you concede that they manipulate politicians they must be that bit slightly less dim then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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