Donald Trumps Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Can CM Quayle and increasing accumulation of powers in the Cabinet Office be made more responsible to the electorate? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51486&headline=Will Home Affairsdept be scrapped?§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019&action=added#readComments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Is the electorate politically interested? Do they care? Considering there's no political opposition in Manx politics, and the passivity of the population, Quayle and Co can do how they please with impunity. Responsible to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 The Chief Minister, to be fair, is not known for his level of intelligence or ability. Chris Thomas provides the very much needed illusion of someone who knows what they are doing, and is being shovelled all the stuff others can't understand or deal with. As a point of reference the 'Father of the House' is Credgie Cregeen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 This is the issue innit? Many of us will support the gradual removal of 'silo government', but it has to accompanied by greater scrutiny in Tynwald and the House of Keys. Government cannot be permitted to appoint a majority of Tynwald or the Keys to government positions Let there be an opposition group (those without government appointments) & require them to elect/appoint a Leader of the Opposition from amongst themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 A brilliant idea but I'm sceptical the will exists in reasonable measure to challenge the policies and the exceptionalism displayed by successive administrations. We have become so used to an inability to change anything in Manx politics the people have given up. Traaid da looar, yessir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Can CM Quayle and increasing accumulation of powers in the Cabinet Office be made more responsible to the electorate? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51486&headline=Will Home Affairsdept be scrapped?§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019&action=added#readComments NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 The accretion of power and responsibility for an ever widening portfolio within the Cabinet Office began in the Bell administration and is continuing its inexorable ‘black hole’ gravitational pull. Don’t forget that, for example, the delivery of the Michaels reforms for health sit at ‘the centre’ too. Whether this is a recurring desire of the previous and current Chief Minister not merely to have a finger in every pie, but to actually have the pies on their own table; or if it’s a reaction to essentially bloody useless Ministers, or if it’s some equivalent by the Chief Secretary to emasculate CEOs (or all of the above!) isn’t clear. But it’s only heading one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 President Quayle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: Can CM Quayle and increasing accumulation of powers in the Cabinet Office be made more responsible to the electorate? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51486&headline=Will Home Affairsdept be scrapped?§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019&action=added#readComments A stronger Cabinet Office under the control of the elected political executive would be good if it could counter-balance the accumulated powers of the unelected civil service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 With the benefit of perspective it does appear to me that after many decades of being totally ignored by the government the general population have been beaten into a mind set based on "What can we do? The SOB's totally ignore us no matter what". For the same reason of a feeling of impotence and why bother voting anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I reckon Dan Davies was moved over there to pave the way for this. Its a pointless dept in many ways. The Fire and Police could move to a commissioning model. The prison could become part of a MoJ. Just some loose ends.such as motorsport to tie up. The most excellent Civ Def could annexed to FRS. As long as the admin base is thinned, might make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: A stronger Cabinet Office under the control of the elected political executive would be good if it could counter-balance the accumulated powers of the unelected civil service. Well who do you think are running the Cabinet Office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: I reckon Dan Davies was moved over there to pave the way for this. Dead cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: Let there be an opposition group (those without government appointments) & require them to elect/appoint a Leader of the Opposition from amongst themselves .... and pay equivalent to dept members or who would want to be the opposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: Can CM Quayle and increasing accumulation of powers in the Cabinet Office be made more responsible to the electorate? http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51486&headline=Will Home Affairsdept be scrapped?§ionIs=news&searchyear=2019&action=added#readComments As I said in another thread it's the Manx equivalent of the Soviet Politburo Democratic Centralisation process. This is about as unaccountable as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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