John Wright Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bandits said: Funny how they happen for a few hours immediately after a TT death is announced and after you’ve been criticized for locking TT threads to stifle debate 😂😂 You can use ad hominem attack straw man arguments false dilemma/dichotomy hasty generalisation red herrings and causal fallacy all you want. They don't make your viewpoint correct 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said: Neither do we. We have a tea table, a gin table, a wine table and a beer table. I have some of those. But no red phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Front page of the DM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10905743/Father-son-race-team-killed-Isle-Man-TT-crash-bringing-years-death-toll-five.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 11 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Not enough information yet; machinery needs to be examined, witness stuff collected, perhaps some experienced competitor insight gathered. TT meetings have previously thrown up repeat fatalities at the same point for some reason....just the nature of the course maybe? Indeed. My concern is that two fatalities in the same area can’t purely be down to machine failure. Only the experts (not MF) can work out why 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Bandits said: And who hasn’t made acknowledgment of that? Looking back on the comment I made - you. Why would any sane person inserting a laughing emoji says all we need to know about you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Indeed. My concern is that two fatalities in the same area can’t purely be down to machine failure. Only the experts (not MF) can work out why Bit like the 5 'offs' @ "Casey's, including two 'fatals' , the CoC etc have still decided not to install air fencing, despite the recommendations of marshals . The ACU's statement of "improvements" ( referred to by DF ) ? Fine words but absolute bollocks when it comes to rider safety and leasing with marshals IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steady Eddie Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Sky news https://news.sky.com/story/isle-of-man-tt-father-and-son-die-competing-in-race-taking-number-of-rider-deaths-to-five-12631705 The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/10/father-and-son-team-die-in-latest-isle-of-man-tt-tragedy-to-take-death-toll-to-five The BBC https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/61760266 The Mirror https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/isle-of-man-tt-death-27203703 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, John Wright said: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/guidance-no-25-coroners-and-the-media.pdf read para 71, and understand! You’re wasting your time John… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Derek Flint said: I don’t know if it still happens, but there was a time that if you had a property that abounded the course where risk was foreseen, you were asked to sign a disclaimer. personally my response would have been to ask what the organizers were doing to prevent collateral intrusion into my property in the event of an incident? had a few done that I suspect we might not have an event today didn't juan turner raise the point that the organisers were required to make sure sufficient insurance was in place for something or other and they didn't like it being pointed out to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, John Wright said: I have some of those. But no red phone I may have one John if you need to borrow it… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 It’d be an interesting FOI request for DoI in bringing a road closure order to Tynwald what the relevant considerations are:- a) expected deaths b) expected serious, life changing injuries c) risk assessment to inform conditions to impose on organizers (e.g no sidecars, capacity limit) d) cost of disruption to local economy and additional costs - police, hospital etc. e) economic upside (homestay benefitting mainly middle classes, media, hospitality) f) carbon footprint and climate sustainability g) we’ve always fucking done it and a) to f) are a bit fucking hard. A side question: how many of those hammering DoI about Curragh Road crossing gates and the poor lad fairly unforseeably getting killed not paying attention are also sticking up for the TT? If you stick up for the TT get over yourself on some of the blaming you do against Government when other stuff goes wrong… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, Newsdesk said: We’ll see. The unfortunate witness to the carnage last week is from a very wealth and well connected Manx family. It will be interesting to see if they do try and put the usual lid on things. Do you share a room with Bandits by any chance… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Do you share a room with Bandits by any chance… Both run out of Risperdal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, manxman34 said: Both run out of Risperdal It’s on its way… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, ian rush said: It’d be an interesting FOI request for DoI in bringing a road closure order to Tynwald what the relevant considerations are:- a) expected deaths b) expected serious, life changing injuries c) risk assessment to inform conditions to impose on organizers (e.g no sidecars, capacity limit) d) cost of disruption to local economy and additional costs - police, hospital etc. e) economic upside (homestay benefitting mainly middle classes, media, hospitality) f) carbon footprint and climate sustainability g) we’ve always fucking done it and a) to f) are a bit fucking hard. A side question: how many of those hammering DoI about Curragh Road crossing gates and the poor lad fairly unforseeably getting killed not paying attention are also sticking up for the TT? If you stick up for the TT get over yourself on some of the blaming you do against Government when other stuff goes wrong… You could try it but an FOI is about information not opinion or estimation. You would get a nil return I am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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