Barrie Stevens

https://www.businessinsider.com/ Boris tells Northern Ireland it is so lucky to have the benefits of the EU ie Single market etc and yet denies this to the rest of the UK. So if it is so good why are we leaving? Sauce for the goose etc...I give a link to the first of many Boris contradictions...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/05/brexiters-ireland-civil-war-troubled-past

The Island has a limited relationship with the EU via Protocol 3 so please read it. In the EU etc referendum IOM residents were told that they could not vote to leave or remain something of which the Island is not a part. Tho some had retained the right to a UK vote. No one has said the IOM is in the EU as such but it is certainly umbilically joined. You keep picking issues where the IOM is out whereas you should look at areas where it is in as it were. As I said, plenty of EU adopted, accepted, adapted EC-EEC-EU rules in boxed sets on the shelves of Tynwald library and also includes Directives where applicable. The IOM could not even control the supply and price of bread without referring to the European Commission. When the EU came into being in 1994 following Maastricht it was decided that there should be no changes to Protocol 3 which the IOM had quietly asked for to facilitate greater access to the Single Market for Services ie Financial and fiscal etc The IOM under CM Sir Miles Walker signed the Maastricht Treaty of 1993 setting up the EU. I asked IOM GOVT if I could read it and they got it out of the safe for me by appointment. There is a mass of complexity in it. If and when the UK leaves the EU, the IOM relationship with the latter will dissolve so be concerned as to what sort of relationship you will have post-Brexit. IF that is the UK and EU are kindly disposed because they only let you have Protocol 3 in 1973 to help the UK solve the problem of what do about the Crown Dependencies which did not want to observe the Four Freedoms. S So they opted out of the planned Single Market. It was a compromise. There may be very little goodwill next time round. If the UK seizes the moment to make changes it could be cold outside.

JW You should have put a hyphen between U.K. and IOM or else people will get wrong end of stick when flashing through Forumese language. I thought I did well to get you off as one might say...

It is often said in Tynwald or by Govt Ministers that for such and such a purpose the Island is in the UK or EU depending. This is what JW means...

As I recall the EC/EEC/EU does have a facility to monitor so called state aid but in the case of the Offshores and not just Crown Dependencies does recognise their certain special needs and they being so small is prepared to be lenient by way of interpretation. I have read this in Tynwald library some time...

I posted the above having misunderstood you. ie rhetorical....The IOM has a limited relationship with the EU etc It is essentially about trade, business and relevant regulation and certainly the vast mass of what comes out of Brussels does not apply. The IOM neither pays in nor receives. Not obliged to. I refer you to the governing document Protocol 3...The Free Movement restrictions have been greatly watered down by the Island itself in recent years as regards work permits. There is hitherto unused legislation regarding licensing of residential accommodation which is Protocol 3 compliant. This was intended to control migration. Some years ago the IOM wanted to regulate bread and its prices and which had to be referred to the European Commission which basically knocked it back and said no. Protocol 3 link below.. https://www.gov.im/media/80578/protocol_3.pdf

Tynwald Library has a great collection of material regarding IOM compliance with EU and EEC/EC rules..

An unwritten EU rule?????

I would very much like you to post evidence that the IOM pays contributions into the EU budget...And likewise that it receives some input or benefit in return. Also I have never received a tax demand from the EU nor its predecessor whether in UK or IOM. How much has the IOM paid the EU since 1994 out of interest.?

My expired so called Manx or British Islands passport issued locally 2008 has European Union stamped on the front. Do they still proclaim EU on the front..?

In what way is the Manx birching issue related to the EU...And do not mention the European Court of Human Rights. Deemsters are Crown appointments under the auspices of the Lt Governor they are advertising at the moment see link/ Off Island can apply. https://www.gov.im/crownappointments The Island's own laws regulate who gets to work as an Advocate with right of audience and you can import a lawyer with right of audience if you get what used to be the Lt Governor's licence but which I think may now be the 1st Deemster's licence. I recall a London Barrister Andrew Nichol QC representing a local applicant in IOM High Court and it was on Manx legal aid. I think the applicant was a local soft fruit grower name of Bandari or similar. I think he won and it is in Manx Law Reports. The IOM Court of Appeal judge must be an off-Island QC apparently see link https://www.gov.im/news/2017/oct/10/judge-of-appeal-sworn-in/ England and Wales lawyers practise in the IOM but may not all have right of audience. The Lt Governor appoints and empowers Manx Advocates by warrant. This is how I recall it but there may have been changes. I cannot see EU influence in it if that is what you imply...

I got mine done at Tesco's hope it was not "Tesco's own brand" or even worse "T E Stockwell"..

Hopefully a lot of pension age Brexiteers will have not bothered to get a flu jab....It's going to resemble "Custer's Last Stand" anyway..

You are Boris Johnson...Shows today's edition of Daily Telegraph and I claim £5...Poses for official photographer on Loch Prom...For all you teenagers I give a link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud

In your post you say Constitution for Europe equals the Lisbon treaty..I merely posted a link for you to read of the implications now current...

I would appreciate an educational link thank you....

He does remind one of Michael Foot and he was so out of touch. I recall him describing Birmingham as the workshop of the world which by then it was not. And the NHS as the envy of the world. Well a lot of people would like to have one but hardly envious...Personally I support it and would willingly pay a reasonable sub each week if the money went straight into it and not soaked up by HMG in a round about way. To paraphrase the Apollo astronauts. Just remember that the NHS equipment etc is provided by the cheapest bidder...Supposedly...

Poor fellow reminds me of a church caretaker and I should know as I used to be a church caretaker for Grosvenor St Aiden's Palatine road Manchester. And it was haunted. One night all the light switches clicked off in sequence and my brooms, mops and buckets all went clattering across the floor cast by an invisible hand. This is totally irrelevant but I am in that sort of mood. I feel an autobiography coming on...Was at a do in the City last Friday. Merchant Taylors' Hall. Those 200 retired shipbrokers really don't know how the other half lives. I for my sins have been forced to learn and pay back my Karma...Sorry, as you were saying er Brexit was it? http://manchesterdirectory.co.uk/info/10419/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7623353/Royal-Mint-releases-new-coin-mark-30-years-Wallace-animated-companion.html Brexit is dead KIA so no 50p coin they are being scrapped and recycled into Wallace and Gromit issue and which just about puts the kybosh on this whole mess

Again I refer you to the Dear Leader...

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/5/the-treaty-of-lisbon Read it....

I and the Dear Leader have no need...BYO if you visit

Only do that if you use them or selling...Two or three years on the tin...But we will still be either in the EU or a deal including Single market and Customs union or as near as dammit. ie A Protocol 3 look alike...Still will be handy if we get cold spell ...I still get free Leccy from November...EU supplier see...