Tugger Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Manx Radio This caused a brief flicker of hope for me, but it turns out that there's no opposition to subsidy per se, just the manner in which the subsidy is going to be calculated. I wonder whether farmers will end up taking more money from the taxpayer, or less, as a result of the proposed changes. The fact that a protest group has been set up at all might help me arrive at an answer, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Tugger what changes do you want to see for farm subsidies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 I'd like to see them phased out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manshimajin Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 That certainly worked in NZ. Made people think outside the box and explore new markets. But generally in Europe we don't seem to think we can farm if there are no subsidies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Manx Radio This caused a brief flicker of hope for me, but it turns out that there's no opposition to subsidy per se, just the manner in which the subsidy is going to be calculated. I wonder whether farmers will end up taking more money from the taxpayer, or less, as a result of the proposed changes. The fact that a protest group has been set up at all might help me arrive at an answer, of course... Lets face it the economy is f**ked, our finance sector is in shreds, we'll be paying for our banking failures for the next 20 years, but still Farmer Palmer wants a new tractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 ha ha this old chessnut again time for farmer bashing again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 ha ha this old chessnut again time for farmer bashing again Why not? If somebody paid me thousands to cut grass for 6 months of the year I'd be game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Personally, I thin it would be better all round if Manx people ate Manx food, and if it takes a few subsidies to achieve that, so be it. Chinese milk, anyone? S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Feel free to make your choice, with your money, Forbes. I'd prefer you, and our politicians, to take fewer liberties with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Feel free to make your choice, with your money, Forbes. I'd prefer you, and our politicians, to take fewer liberties with mine. Gosh, you can read backwards, too. Better, though, to use your eyes to look a little further forward than you are wont to do. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeky boy Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The theory behind "de-coupling" that is removing farming subsidies is that it will encourage farmers to produce stuff that the public want to buy instead of producing what ever attracts the biggest subsidy There are thousands of examples around the world of high quality produce which command a premium price such as Kobe beef, Poulet de Bresse chicken and even Manx asparagus My brother is an un-subsidised organic farmer in Cornwall and he grows things like organic artichokes which they sell to Jamie Oliver's restaurant When the restrictions on imported meat are lifted in (I think) 2011 it will be impossible for Manx farmers to compete on price so there only chance is to compete on quality, or be paid by us to watch the gorse grow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrof Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The theory behind "de-coupling" that is removing farming subsidies is that it will encourage farmers to produce stuff that the public want to buy instead of producing what ever attracts the biggest subsidy There are thousands of examples around the world of high quality produce which command a premium price such as Kobe beef, Poulet de Bresse chicken and even Manx asparagus My brother is an un-subsidised organic farmer in Cornwall and he grows things like organic artichokes which they sell to Jamie Oliver's restaurant When the restrictions on imported meat are lifted in (I think) 2011 it will be impossible for Manx farmers to compete on price so there only chance is to compete on quality, or be paid by us to watch the gorse grow The problem is that the quality market is only a small part of the total market. The larger part will be supplied by huge factory farmers from Thailand or somewhere. with probably rather lower animal welfare standards than ours. Plus all sorts of growth-promoting drugs. It's all money and jobs off the island. Not very sensible. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeky boy Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The problem is that the quality market is only a small part of the total market. The larger part will be supplied by huge factory farmers from Thailand or somewhere. with probably rather lower animal welfare standards than ours. Plus all sorts of growth-promoting drugs. It's all money and jobs off the island. Not very sensible. S My point was that we should concentrate on that small, quality market We as a island could promote our produce as being organic & GM free and seek out the premium niche areas of the food market which are profitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The theory behind "de-coupling" that is removing farming subsidies is that it will encourage farmers to produce stuff that the public want to buy instead of producing what ever attracts the biggest subsidy There are thousands of examples around the world of high quality produce which command a premium price such as Kobe beef, Poulet de Bresse chicken and even Manx asparagus My brother is an un-subsidised organic farmer in Cornwall and he grows things like organic artichokes which they sell to Jamie Oliver's restaurant When the restrictions on imported meat are lifted in (I think) 2011 it will be impossible for Manx farmers to compete on price so there only chance is to compete on quality, or be paid by us to watch the gorse grow The problem is that the quality market is only a small part of the total market. The larger part will be supplied by huge factory farmers from Thailand or somewhere. with probably rather lower animal welfare standards than ours. Plus all sorts of growth-promoting drugs. It's all money and jobs off the island. Not very sensible. S and there lies the problem to be honest, uk and manx ppl are all 2 ready to jump in and open there gobs about the welfair of uk animales, ooo u have to do that o u should do that, thats not vary nice, like thay have a bloddy clue anyways, so the gov jumps, and makes rules after rules which have to be followed by the book, the cost of these alone have pushed the farmers cost to amazing levels, but there all 2 happy to go out and buy the cheap imports at half the cost, what welfair no its fine i cant see it over there what i cant see cant hurt me .also i can live with myself cause its cheap, why buy the expensive option, right take the subs away what u left with an open market, how long do u think it would be b4 u coulden get any manx or british beef here, as there would noboody producing it, so u would have to buy the real expensive stuff from a few selective produces left, or buy imports, well most will go for the imports, so say 5-10 years down the line, 3rd worst haverst on record for the 3rd stright row, other places havent got food to feed there own let alone sell to any othere countrys,(think last year when places put export tax upto 50% and shut ports down to keep food at home) what do you do, the food thay do buy and import will be expensive, and there could be a shortage of food compleatly, what do you do, i know u all bloody complain going ooo we should have kept the subs we could have had cheap food, why did thay do that, all you see if cash being given to farmers for northing, i have said many times on here that there is a lot bigger pic than some of you narrow minded ppl see, look out of the box for once and see that food production is a major poltical pressure point, with out the farmers the world and places we live can and could become destroyed quite easly, P.S i dont mean all you ppl are narrow mined or say that, but a lot do, time to run and hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 The theory behind "de-coupling" that is removing farming subsidies is that it will encourage farmers to produce stuff that the public want to buy instead of producing what ever attracts the biggest subsidy There are thousands of examples around the world of high quality produce which command a premium price such as Kobe beef, Poulet de Bresse chicken and even Manx asparagus My brother is an un-subsidised organic farmer in Cornwall and he grows things like organic artichokes which they sell to Jamie Oliver's restaurant When the restrictions on imported meat are lifted in (I think) 2011 it will be impossible for Manx farmers to compete on price so there only chance is to compete on quality, or be paid by us to watch the gorse grow Im not sure how many people will be nibbling Manx asparagus if the economy takes a down turn. The market could be quite small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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