Group Defends Breastfeeding

[Kopek]

 

You're not fond of children, are you?

 

I am, roasted with Rosemary and a little garlic.... Hmmmm, delicious!

 

Really, I can't see any Man getting excited at seeing a Baby being breastfed, it is a moment of tenderness between Mother and Child and not in the least erotic. Fathers have the same feeling when bottlefeeding or even when watching their Child being breastfed.

 

The image of a Mother staring down lovingly at her New Born suckling is almost clichéed to the point that we do not regard it as a Woman with her boob out but a reminder of of when we were in that position of tenderness.

Such moments are to be treasured for they will only be repeated in later Childhood by those special hugs that soothe a grazed knee or bad dream.

 

However, if you want some controversy, do Mothers theirselves become immured to this tenderness towards the New Born and after say, three months it becomes a matter of 'have this and shut up while I watch Corrie St'? Are Mothers more likely to carry a bottle with them after a few months when the novelty has worn off?

 

If the latter is true, is the initial strong defense of the right to breastfeed in public a recognition that the versimilitude of such will fade in a short time to a pragmatism or indifference to others attitude?

 

Does anyone watch Family Guy on TV? I wonder if Stueies attitude to his parents is true of all Children? " Oh you disgusting Woman, take that out of my face, People are staring!"

[Matt Bawden]

Both of my boys were breastfed for the first ten months of their lives and to be honest everyone shouldn't even be talking about "is breastfeeding in public wrong or right", it shouldn't even be a topic, we should all be indifferent about it, it is no more than an adult eating in a restraunt or a teenager eating in McDonald's. Even if a nursing Mother were to lop her breasts out shouldn't cause offence, it is no more than a bared arm or leg, breastfeeding is as natural as breathing and we as a society don't make an issue of that, nobody makes an issue of a baby being bottle fed, as long as we have the likes of newspapers and magazines an dthe media in general sexualising breasts and objectifying them in a sexist manner then breastfeeding in public in public will always beseen as disgusting. Thinking about it, this Victorian attitude is almost on a par with Islam forcing women to wear a Burka or whatever it's called, so anyone objecting is the sort of person who would want women covered up from head to toe and probably knocking one out to porn while their wife is upstairs in bed, you dirty little male chauvinistic vile lying w***ers, you know who you are.

 

If it offends someone then that person should avert their eyes, just the same as if they don't wish to watch something on TV they should change the channel. We do not live in Victorian times and I actually find it disgusting that people are offended by it. I actually can't believe that people want to make an issue from something that is non-sexual, completely harmless, beneficial to babies (keeping them alive!) and should be a right of every nursing mother and her child. It's not as if Mothers are walking up to people in a restraunt lopping out her breasts and thrusting them in the face of diners and lactating all over the place, most if not all nursing Mothers are very discreet due to the fact that some people are offended, in fact there were times when we would be out as a family and my wife would be nursing our sons and I wouldn't even have a clue she was feeding them.

 

Seriously it's about f***ing time this issue went away completely, there doesn't need to be a law to make people allow nursing Mothers in public it should just be.

 

A friend of mine used to go to Eden Park to meet meet with friends, there were about seven of them, they were all mothers and a few of them had babies who were breastfed, one of the mothers very very discreetly nursed her child, an ignorant moron of a person made a complaint to the staff (he didn't even have the courage to speak directly to the mother, the snivelling little coward) who promptly asked the nursing mother to LEAVE!! and I think but not sure the whole party to leave, what a f***ing disgrace, the staff member involved and the knobhead who complained should f***ing well hang their heads in shame and if it's company policy to eject or stop nursing mothers then Eden Park should do the same. What the weak staff member should have done is said " I am sorry sir, but if you have an issue with breastfeeding then maybe you should leave" but alas no, people are ruled by money and back down when it comes to principles, common money whores!

 

As you can see I feel quite strongly about this.

[Moghrey Mie]

If it was just opening the paper to see inappropriate pictures of woman that would be one thing but when they are on the front cover of the paper, at eye level with children that's another. I regularly have to guide my 7 year old son through the door of our local shop, past the newspapers, to stop him seeing an image that I find offensive and unneccesary on a front cover.

Don't think I've ever noticed a magazine front featuring a vacuous looking man with a pout, in a suggestive pose with a huge dick in my local newsagents. (Think I would have noticed! hahaha)

I was offered a cover spread in Outlook Magazine, on the basis that I am a huge dick...

Where are the staples?

 

Frankly, this is all or nothing really, just a puff in the greater scheme of life. Babies need to be be fed, so feed them. Anybody objecting should be embarassed themselves. That is all you need Juan, so back off from tying up draughtsmen and Tynwald time when there are far meatier issues around.

 

 

If we start to criminalise everybody who has Neanderthal attitudes the police and courts are going to be busy.

[VinnieK]

If we start to criminalise everybody who has Neanderthal attitudes the police and courts are going to be busy.

 

Indeed, and my opinion is that Robertshaw and Karran are on the money when they point out the disproportionate nature of legislating for such a situation. Watterson relies on the hackneyed argument about legislation and criminalization being the only tool Government has to change people's attitudes (and indulging in a rather hysterical "think of the children" moment when he waffles on about the harm done to a child in being taken away to be fed), but ignores two crucial points of the wider debate:

 

1. That the responsibility and legitimacy of government deliberately setting out to change the populace's attitudes is justifiably controversial, and hence should be put into practice only very sparingly. The duty of government is to represent us and act in our broadest best interests, it is not bound or expected to mould us into what it considers better people, except in truly exceptional circumstances.

 

2. Such legislation rarely goes as far as to actually change attitudes; instead it coerces people into complying with the attitudes the government thinks they should have. Of course, all legislation is to some extent an act of coercion, but the question is one of degree and justification. It's a general tenet of consensual government that a government should use its powers of coercion only where absolutely necessary and in the main rely on less drastic measures, such as education, incentive, or letting society deal with its issues on its own. For instance, a grass roots boycott by those concerned of establishments whose policies they disagree with would be a far more healthy and positive reaction to this issue than the unsubtle measures of government being put into practice.

 

Watterson refuses to engage in the issues and fails to demonstrate quite why this instance of coercion is justified (in particular, failing to explain how the urgency of the issue and the severity of the effect the current situation has on those concerned outweighs the obligation of government to exercise self restrain when imposing its authority on the populace), instead offering a weak reference to a vague personal consultation as if the mere fact that some are effected by this issue is enough to justify the government weighing in. In doing so, he comes over as unsophisticated, pandering and overly technocratic, viewing legislation as a mere tool and taking the government's right to act in such circumstances for granted.

 

Still, it's at least better than Brenda Cannell's cynical attempt to drum up a phoney sense of urgency with the plaintiff yet aggressive appeal of "Don't waste any more time"

[thesultanofsheight]

Both of my boys were breastfed for the first ten months of their lives and to be honest everyone shouldn't even be talking about "is breastfeeding in public wrong or right", it shouldn't even be a topic, we should all be indifferent about it, it is no more than an adult eating in a restraunt or a teenager eating in McDonald's. Even if a nursing Mother were to lop her breasts out shouldn't cause offence, it is no more than a bared arm or leg, breastfeeding is as natural as breathing and we as a society don't make an issue of that, nobody makes an issue of a baby being bottle fed, as long as we have the likes of newspapers and magazines an dthe media in general sexualising breasts and objectifying them in a sexist manner then breastfeeding in public in public will always beseen as disgusting.

 

As one of the biggest tits posting on here Matt I'm prepared to accept that your views are those of a total expert on the subject.

[Matt Bawden]

Both of my boys were breastfed for the first ten months of their lives and to be honest everyone shouldn't even be talking about "is breastfeeding in public wrong or right", it shouldn't even be a topic, we should all be indifferent about it, it is no more than an adult eating in a restraunt or a teenager eating in McDonald's. Even if a nursing Mother were to lop her breasts out shouldn't cause offence, it is no more than a bared arm or leg, breastfeeding is as natural as breathing and we as a society don't make an issue of that, nobody makes an issue of a baby being bottle fed, as long as we have the likes of newspapers and magazines an dthe media in general sexualising breasts and objectifying them in a sexist manner then breastfeeding in public in public will always beseen as disgusting.

 

As one of the biggest tits posting on here Matt I'm prepared to accept that your views are those of a total expert on the subject.

 

Christ, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is and you don't have to be an expert to have an opinion, even though experience on my part would entitle me to express some degree of knowledge on this subject you cretin.