Mots ?

[woolley]

The test centre test is stricter than an MOT,because they know it is only done once. If a periodic test was brought in, would the standard change? Would they be 'under team orders' to get nasty looking cars off the road even if they passed all the tests? Remember, some of these are measurable, some are the examiners opinion.

 

Annual tests are now required for all commercial vehicles from the very biggest arctic units down to, at present, 7.5 gross weight vans and lorries. These smaller vehicles are usually the ones that you can legally drive on a car license if you passed before a date that escapes me.

 

From personal experience I would say these HGV and non HGV tests are just as strict as the old one when you imported a wagon to the island. It certainly keeps the islands wagons in a far better state of repair than before these tests and should be welcomed by all decent business people.

 

The 7.5 tonne class driven on car licenses had, up to the introduction of the test, allowed some really, really dangerously under-maintained vehicles on our roads. The most common being the Iveco tipper type favored by small building company's that not only was often a death trap but was also massively overloaded with materials on the tipper bed.

 

They may have a big area for materials on the back but to keep under the 7.5 tonne limit many could only carry about 1.5-1.75 tonnes of goods/rubble. How many times have you seen one of them with the back end close to dragging on the road with a heaped load of soil or rubble on board?

 

Probably close to 5-6 tonnes so about 4 tonnes more than legal and poorly maintained! Like I said the commercial tests have been for the good but I am not so sure about car tests although if you plan on buying at the lower end of the market a recent MOT would give you peace of mind for a "run into the ground" 1 year life time banger/ runaround?

 

All good sense but as for the final paragraph I would not set any store by an MOT for an old car. I would much prefer to give it to a professional mechanic and pay him to tell me whether or not it is in good nick. He would tell me much more than a piece of paper and advise me what was likely to be needed in the short to medium term as well.

[johnny]

Not this old chestnut again?

 

When are you people going to realise that an M.O.T means nothing except at the time of test,and even then a test is carried out to the legal minimum requirements.

 

Before moving here two years ago,I'd been carrying out M.O.T tests for almost 30 years,so I have some experience on this. However,the perception over here is that because there is no compulsory test,there must be too many unroadworthy vehicles.

 

Yet again,another blinkered generalisation by people who usually have no idea about vehicle maintenance. There's plenty of vehicles driving around the UK that most people over here would class as junk,so just exactly where does that life saving annual test actually do any good if it can't make sure EVERY vehicle is acceptable?.

 

Oh hang on,it doesn't,but it does generate an income for the government,as well as the test staions themselves.

 

From my personal experience over here,most of our customers are more than happy to have things like brake discs etc replaced for peace of mind for themselves. Take away that option,and a lot more would carry on with whatever will get through the minimum requirement,and there will be a minimum. No longer will it be up to common sense on behalf of a mechanics advise,or the guys at the current centre explaining WHY some things would be best sorted out sooner rather than later.

 

Still,I suppose it'll happen at some point when extra government funding will be generated,but improved ACTUAL safety of vehicles as opposed to PERCEIVED,nah,I seriously doubt it.

[Blade Runner]

But would an IOM MOT actually raise any money? I do not think so with our governments usual MO of over-staffing any department and then paying about twice the going rate plus a gold plated pension.

 

Can you imagine how many Managers they would have to employ? Then the Managers of the Managers and their Bosses? It would need most of the existing Testing Centre building converted to office space to house them all and then they would probably pay anyone working there a mileage allowance because it is not in Douglas town centre.................................................

 

Oh I forgot, a canteen would be required on site too.

 

This might just solve our economic problems at a stroke, we do own a lot of cars per head of population and if they have to be tested why not make it twice yearly? or even weekly? Think of the safety benefits, think of the revenue...................

[Lisenchuk]

I think weekly at 50 quid a pop sounds about right

[woolley]

Yep and a thousand off the dole to staff it. Now we are getting to the real reasons.

[Non-Believer]

Yep and a thousand off the dole to staff it. Now we are getting to the real reasons.

 

Which are the same "real" reasons they've been using for the past 25-odd years....

 

The Socialist Experiment is alive and well and will be as long as we have the same people in charge and they've got working taxpayers left to screw for their last dollar.....

[DRIVER]

We followed a red Transit van into Douglas from Ballacraine on Monday just gone, it was a shed, burning oil with smoke bellowing from it, no indicators, back bumper hanging off, rusted away at the back, no wing mirror inserts to see who was behind, it was a accident waiting to happen.

 

Now our conversation was, what if that freakin shed had to stop in a hurry cos a kid ran across the road?? We all know the answer to that!!! FFS total devastation!!!

 

Road worthiness checks should happen if this red Transit van of a shit heap is still on our roads!!

 

The Transit was probably running on central heating fuel, loads cheaper but bit smokey !!!

[dave1978]

UK MOT is a joke, my mate is a mechanic, my car NEVER failed a UK MOT.

 

The same will happen here but with those who dont know a mechanic, paying an unjustifiably inflated rate for any remedial work.

 

Police spot checks on tyre condition and brake condition would be far wiser and atleast in theory less corrupt (?!).

[dave1978]

Not this old chestnut again?

 

When are you people going to realise that an M.O.T means nothing except at the time of test,and even then a test is carried out to the legal minimum requirements.

 

Before moving here two years ago,I'd been carrying out M.O.T tests for almost 30 years,so I have some experience on this. However,the perception over here is that because there is no compulsory test,there must be too many unroadworthy vehicles.

 

Yet again,another blinkered generalisation by people who usually have no idea about vehicle maintenance. There's plenty of vehicles driving around the UK that most people over here would class as junk,so just exactly where does that life saving annual test actually do any good if it can't make sure EVERY vehicle is acceptable?.

 

Oh hang on,it doesn't,but it does generate an income for the government,as well as the test staions themselves.

 

From my personal experience over here,most of our customers are more than happy to have things like brake discs etc replaced for peace of mind for themselves. Take away that option,and a lot more would carry on with whatever will get through the minimum requirement,and there will be a minimum. No longer will it be up to common sense on behalf of a mechanics advise,or the guys at the current centre explaining WHY some things would be best sorted out sooner rather than later.

 

Still,I suppose it'll happen at some point when extra government funding will be generated,but improved ACTUAL safety of vehicles as opposed to PERCEIVED,nah,I seriously doubt it.

 

spot on

[doc.fixit]

Not this old chestnut again?

 

When are you people going to realise that an M.O.T means nothing except at the time of test,and even then a test is carried out to the legal minimum requirements.

 

Before moving here two years ago,I'd been carrying out M.O.T tests for almost 30 years,so I have some experience on this. However,the perception over here is that because there is no compulsory test,there must be too many unroadworthy vehicles.

 

Yet again,another blinkered generalisation by people who usually have no idea about vehicle maintenance. There's plenty of vehicles driving around the UK that most people over here would class as junk,so just exactly where does that life saving annual test actually do any good if it can't make sure EVERY vehicle is acceptable?.

 

Oh hang on,it doesn't,but it does generate an income for the government,as well as the test staions themselves.

 

From my personal experience over here,most of our customers are more than happy to have things like brake discs etc replaced for peace of mind for themselves. Take away that option,and a lot more would carry on with whatever will get through the minimum requirement,and there will be a minimum. No longer will it be up to common sense on behalf of a mechanics advise,or the guys at the current centre explaining WHY some things would be best sorted out sooner rather than later.

 

Still,I suppose it'll happen at some point when extra government funding will be generated,but improved ACTUAL safety of vehicles as opposed to PERCEIVED,nah,I seriously doubt it.

 

spot on

 

absolutely right !

[Pierrot Lunaire]

Not this old chestnut again?

 

When are you people going to realise that an M.O.T means nothing except at the time of test,and even then a test is carried out to the legal minimum requirements.

 

Before moving here two years ago,I'd been carrying out M.O.T tests for almost 30 years,so I have some experience on this. However,the perception over here is that because there is no compulsory test,there must be too many unroadworthy vehicles.

 

Yet again,another blinkered generalisation by people who usually have no idea about vehicle maintenance. There's plenty of vehicles driving around the UK that most people over here would class as junk,so just exactly where does that life saving annual test actually do any good if it can't make sure EVERY vehicle is acceptable?.

 

Oh hang on,it doesn't,but it does generate an income for the government,as well as the test staions themselves.

 

From my personal experience over here,most of our customers are more than happy to have things like brake discs etc replaced for peace of mind for themselves. Take away that option,and a lot more would carry on with whatever will get through the minimum requirement,and there will be a minimum. No longer will it be up to common sense on behalf of a mechanics advise,or the guys at the current centre explaining WHY some things would be best sorted out sooner rather than later.

 

Still,I suppose it'll happen at some point when extra government funding will be generated,but improved ACTUAL safety of vehicles as opposed to PERCEIVED,nah,I seriously doubt it.

 

spot on

 

absolutely right !

 

Bloat....!

[manxy]

Anyone have stats on the following or can answer one or two of them?

 

1/ Number of vehicles on island

2/ Number of Garages with trained and qualified personnel who are able to conduct MOT's?

3/ Number of garages

4/ How long does it take for a MOT to be done?

5/ How many cars could be MOT'd in a day?

 

The idea being is to see if it is feasible that MOT's can fit into an already tight schedule with the garages normal days work.

Other problems would be distance and if you lived at say the top of the island like Andreas, Bride etc, how many garages are able to do both MOT's and regular maintenance work at the same time?

Other smaller issues are to do with a persons time (dropping off and collecting their vehicles and would the garages supply courtesy cars?

[dave1978]

MOT about 40 mins.

 

You wont get a courtesy car but perhaps could if you get it serviced at same time.

 

Peoples time dropping off cars?! youre having a giraffe, why should anyone care about that. And as for people in remote areas.... bloody well drive somewhere else to get it done like the rest of the world has to.

[Monkey boy]

But would an IOM MOT actually raise any money? I do not think so with our governments usual MO of over-staffing any department and then paying about twice the going rate plus a gold plated pension.

 

Can you imagine how many Managers they would have to employ? Then the Managers of the Managers and their Bosses? It would need most of the existing Testing Centre building converted to office space to house them all and then they would probably pay anyone working there a mileage allowance because it is not in Douglas town centre.................................................

 

Oh I forgot, a canteen would be required on site too.

 

This might just solve our economic problems at a stroke, we do own a lot of cars per head of population and if they have to be tested why not make it twice yearly? or even weekly? Think of the safety benefits, think of the revenue...................

Exactly - not only this but you are trying to extract money from the wrong people. Rich people who can afford a car of less than 3 yrs old presumably wouldn't be effected by this. But people who can barely afford to run a 15 year old banger would be saddled with this extra unnecessary charge.

Where is the evidence that it would reduce accidents?

[NAIRB]

A MOT test on the isle of man won't work have we not gone down this route before

 

 

It will cost more to implement the test than it will produce revenue for the government

There are not enough vehicles on the island to make it cost effective

 

 

if the test was put out to garages for tender how many would be prepared to make the investment as there are not enough vehicles of testable age to make it viable

 

 

the equipment has to be calibrated every 6 months ( in the UK) would any calibration company or Equipment Manufacture be willing to travel to the Isle of Man to calibrate the equipment twice a year for an average fee of about £150.00 per calibration as I don't think there are any on Island

 

 

As mentioned previously there are police powers already in place to deal with unroadworthy vehicles

 

 

No it won't work