wrighty Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Al Murray might get more votes than Farage. You might be right, but I suspect Al Murray will do well not to lose his deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 FWIW I will be voting UKIP over here unless strategic voting is needed to ensure Labour do not gain the seat for the constituency in which I now live. So a recent immigrant to the UK is going to vote UKIP to try and prevent more immigrants coming to the UK. Am I alone in seeing that as rather poor form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 FWIW I will be voting UKIP over here unless strategic voting is needed to ensure Labour do not gain the seat for the constituency in which I now live. So a recent immigrant to the UK is going to vote UKIP to try and prevent more immigrants coming to the UK. Am I alone in seeing that as rather poor form? Hardly an immigrant, I am British by the rules of Grandfathering. The UK is full, actually overfull, and is being bled dry by a bunch of scroungers who are colonising the place and refusing to integrate, in fact engaging in attacks against the host nation. I LIKE what UKIP offer. I like it very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Where's the option for none of the above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Where's the option for none of the above? Since that is not one of the likely possible outcomes I did not see the point of including it in the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 So a recent immigrant to the UK is going to vote UKIP to try and prevent more immigrants coming to the UK. Am I alone in seeing that as rather poor form? Interestingly I know a few other Manx people who now reside in England and who are planning on voting UKIP. I wonder if UKIP has given any consideration to what its policies are in relation to the Crown Dependencies and the Commonwealth Realms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The UK is full, actually overfull, and is being bled dry by a bunch of scroungers who are colonising the place and refusing to integrate, in fact engaging in attacks against the host nation. I LIKE what UKIP offer. I like it very much. Whether the first part of your first sentence is true I don't know, but the second part is a total myth. The immigrant population uses the UK's public services less and pay more tax than their UK demographic equivalent and benefit the country far more than the population as a whole which is on average far older, welfare dependent and sicker. The scroungers are the natives who refuse to do the manual jobs the immigrants are coming in to do. UKIP have very little to offer - they're a one tune band who blame all society's woes on outsiders. That is categorically false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The UK is full, actually overfull, and is being bled dry by a bunch of scroungers who are colonising the place and refusing to integrate, in fact engaging in attacks against the host nation. I LIKE what UKIP offer. I like it very much. Whether the first part of your first sentence is true I don't know, but the second part is a total myth. The immigrant population uses the UK's public services less and pay more tax than their UK demographic equivalent and benefit the country far more than the population as a whole which is on average far older, welfare dependent and sicker. The scroungers are the natives who refuse to do the manual jobs the immigrants are coming in to do. UKIP have very little to offer - they're a one tune band who blame all society's woes on outsiders. That is categorically false. mostly wrong on all counts. EU membership and uncontrolled immigration into the UK has been and continues to be an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The best we can hope for is a Labour / SNP alliance. But I'm worried Miliband might have blown that. A Labour minority Govt, might be ok. The last Labour Government ran out steam, but the Tories have been a disaster and that's with the Lib Dem's holding back their madder ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 The best we can hope for is a Labour / SNP alliance. Do you mean we-IOM or we-GB+islands in general ? What I mean is - do you feel that is best for UK and also best for IOM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The best we can hope for is a Labour / SNP alliance. Do you mean we-IOM or we-GB+islands in general ? What I mean is - do you feel that is best for UK and also best for IOM ? erm... humanity in general would be better off. I don't really see the distinction, the World's a better place because Obama's in power not Bush. The Tories have a narrow world view they always restrict freedom and opportunity. So the world is better off with out them. That includes the Island, because their restrictive outlook infects here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Chances are Labour will cut our VAT further and try and make us up our taxes...and well lose jobs as a result. Don't forget that the VAT clawback started under Labour...as did most of the OECD shit we got in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The best we can hope for is a Labour / SNP alliance. Do you mean we-IOM or we-GB+islands in general ? What I mean is - do you feel that is best for UK and also best for IOM ? erm... humanity in general would be better off. I don't really see the distinction, the World's a better place because Obama's in power not Bush. The Tories have a narrow world view they always restrict freedom and opportunity. So the world is better off with out them. That includes the Island, because their restrictive outlook infects here. Obama is the very worst POTUS there has EVER been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 The Tories have a narrow world view they always restrict freedom and opportunity. The previous Labour govt seemed quite authoritarian - they tried to introduce ID cards, the DNA database and 90 days detention without trial. And they were defeated. That govt also introduced populist but problematic social exclusion measures such as ASBOs. In a general sense - I have the impression that, at heart, many Labour people are nervous of freedoms (both social and economic). I think that this is partly connected to their Methodist and Marxist heritage. But it is also I think because it is a sort of politics which tends to attract people who believe that everything can be micromanaged effectively (I disagree). It's the same kind of thinking which informed the (bogus) notion of scientific Marxism. The idea that society can be studied pseudo-scientifically and re-built according to a plan. I think that they are often all about rules and regulations. For our own good. Which is not to say that there are not also a lot of very up-tight Conservatives too. Often very nice people on all sides. But I've never met a Labour person who was a libertarian or who really cared about personal freedoms very much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If I lived in the UK I would vote Conservative, from an IoM point of view I think a Labour government will encourage people to get out and invest in places like the Island! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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