hillshepherd Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 If he was a murderer and upon release went and murdered someone again I'd understand but are we really suggesting that if he had been kept in prison longer he'd not have driven a car recklessly? I think you meant to say "driven a car recklessly, that he wasn't insured to drive, was banned from driving, had no license to drive even if he hadn't been banned, had manipulated permission to drive it under false pretences, was over the limit to drive, was driving it whilst in possession of drugs, and finally killed someone in the act of using the car to flee arrest for DUI, having just assaulted the arresting officer". Those are not the actions of a rehabilitated criminal. He was released 3 weeks earlier (from a long sentence for armed robbery of a pregnant woman). Not 3 months, let alone 3 years. 3 WEEKS. We should all be concerned about why unrehabilitated, dangerous people are being released early. and there i rest my case.no defence,a killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 If he was a murderer and upon release went and murdered someone again I'd understand but are we really suggesting that if he had been kept in prison longer he'd not have driven a car recklessly? I think you meant to say "driven a car recklessly, that he wasn't insured to drive, was banned from driving, had no license to drive even if he hadn't been banned, had manipulated permission to drive it under false pretences, was over the limit to drive, was driving it whilst in possession of drugs, and finally killed someone in the act of using the car to flee arrest for DUI, having just assaulted the arresting officer". Those are not the actions of a rehabilitated criminal. He was released 3 weeks earlier (from a long sentence for armed robbery of a pregnant woman). Not 3 months, let alone 3 years. 3 WEEKS. We should all be concerned about why unrehabilitated, dangerous people are being released early. What would actually help is if people served their sentences rather than being released half way through. This guy will be out in, what, 5 years? There's no real hope for him. Better if he tops himself inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceaseless Change Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 What would actually help is if people served their sentences rather than being released half way through. That's part of it. But if the serve their full sentence and are STILL not rehabilitated, can we really be said to have succeeded? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I imagine it's an enquiry into why he was released and how he escaped after being apprehended, then how was he not caught and stopped after the amount of training police drivers are given? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 What would actually help is if people served their sentences rather than being released half way through. That's part of it. But if the serve their full sentence and are STILL not rehabilitated, can we really be said to have succeeded? I don't think so. Then they stay there !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceaseless Change Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 I assume you mean they should.... Because they don't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 public enquiry isnt going to change anything...just like some people cant be changed or rehabilitated. Some are just criminal full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 then how was he not caught and stopped after the amount of training police drivers are given? WTF? Have you been watching too much TV? Answer me this, in practical terms how do two officers in a car stop another moving vehicle on Tholt -y - will Road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 then how was he not caught and stopped after the amount of training police drivers are given? WTF? Have you been watching too much TV? Answer me this, in practical terms how do two officers in a car stop another moving vehicle on Tholt -y - will Road? If he was so desperate to get away then I don't think anything was going to stop him so there wasn't another way. Unless they took some crazy American cop role and rammed him off the road or shot the tyres out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 but wasnt he already stopped initially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If I was the family of the person who died, I'd like to think I'd find a way for some ... justice... to be dealt inside the prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceaseless Change Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 but wasnt he already stopped initially? Yep. Stopped, breathalysed, then got away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sick Moon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If I was the family of the person who died, I'd like to think I'd find a way for some ... justice... to be dealt inside the prison. Ooh, it's Al Capone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 then how was he not caught and stopped after the amount of training police drivers are given? WTF? Have you been watching too much TV? Answer me this, in practical terms how do two officers in a car stop another moving vehicle on Tholt -y - will Road? If he was so desperate to get away then I don't think anything was going to stop him so there wasn't another way. Unless they took some crazy American cop role and rammed him off the road or shot the tyres out. Not such a bad idea in hindsight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 If he was a murderer and upon release went and murdered someone again I'd understand but are we really suggesting that if he had been kept in prison longer he'd not have driven a car recklessly? I think you meant to say "driven a car recklessly, that he wasn't insured to drive, was banned from driving, had no license to drive even if he hadn't been banned, had manipulated permission to drive it under false pretences, was over the limit to drive, was driving it whilst in possession of drugs, and finally killed someone in the act of using the car to flee arrest for DUI, having just assaulted the arresting officer". Those are not the actions of a rehabilitated criminal. He was released 3 weeks earlier (from a long sentence for armed robbery of a pregnant woman). Not 3 months, let alone 3 years. 3 WEEKS. We should all be concerned about why unrehabilitated, dangerous people are being released early. So you're saying that once arrested and convicted any criminal has to pass a "rehabilitated" test in order to be released regardless of what stage of their sentence? And this test will be flawless will it? Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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