Rhumsaa Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 https://www.gov.im/news/2015/oct/06/isle-of-man-remains-safest-place-to-live-in-british-isles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Interestingly he said about 30 families were responsible for most of the crime on the island. Do we have strong enough sentencing on the rock for repeat offenders or are we as soft as the UK when it comes to wheeling out career criminals back onto streets just to repeat the cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Just employ the "two-strikes-and-if-you-do-it-again-you'll-disappear-one-night-and-never-be-seen-again" doctrine. Think of the savings in police time, lawyers, prison, probation, shrinks, etc, etc. and the grief that law abiding people would be spared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Just employ the "two-strikes-and-if-you-do-it-again-you'll-disappear-one-night-and-never-be-seen-again" doctrine. Think of the savings in police time, lawyers, prison, probation, shrinks, etc, etc. and the grief that law abiding people would be spared. Unfortunately you've hit the nail on the head. There are whole industries that exist on crime and to eradicate it would mean an shiny, empty new prison and lots of staff unemployed. Plus advocates, police, judges, social workers etc etc... We should actually be thankful for these 30 families as they keep the prison ticking over and the wheels greased, so they don't create more petty law enforcement which unfortunately turns average folk into criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey, why don't you do what a city in the Philippines did? Their mayor made it one of the safest cities in the world with his zero tolerance approach: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world Looks great, right? Until you realize that he achieved that by running death squads and simply shooting everyone who commits crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads Maybe the cozy IOM could start by not cutting police budgets the way they did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey, why don't you do what a city in the Philippines did? Their mayor made it one of the safest cities in the world with his zero tolerance approach: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world Looks great, right? Until you realize that he achieved that by running death squads and simply shooting everyone who commits crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads Maybe the cozy IOM could start by not cutting police budgets the way they did? What, you mean by cutting public sector pensions instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 @ Amadeus link: Public opinionThere appears to have been a certain degree of public approval among citizens of Davao City for the actions of the death squad, primarily fuelled by public discontent at “the arduous and ineffective judicial system” that created an environment where extra-judicial executions seemed to be a “practical resort” to suppress crime in the city.[10] Subsequently there were reports of death squads operating in other cities, including General Santos City, Digos City, and Tagum City in Mindanao as well as in Cebu City, the second largest city in the Philippines.[10] Very interesting. Ineffectual law and order eventually forces people look for alternative remedies. I am not of course saying that the IoM is in that situation. Our geography promotes low crime levels. Nowhere to run so you don't offend if you have any sense. If you have no sense you're easily captured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey, why don't you do what a city in the Philippines did? Their mayor made it one of the safest cities in the world with his zero tolerance approach: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world Looks great, right? Until you realize that he achieved that by running death squads and simply shooting everyone who commits crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads Maybe the cozy IOM could start by not cutting police budgets the way they did? Controlled in the right way there is a lot to be said for death squads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey, why don't you do what a city in the Philippines did? Their mayor made it one of the safest cities in the world with his zero tolerance approach: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world Looks great, right? Until you realize that he achieved that by running death squads and simply shooting everyone who commits crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads Maybe the cozy IOM could start by not cutting police budgets the way they did? Controlled in the right way there is a lot to be said for death squads Why stop at criminals. Widen it to the recipients of the largest public sector pensions and you can start to solve a whole number of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey, why don't you do what a city in the Philippines did? Their mayor made it one of the safest cities in the world with his zero tolerance approach: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/690252/davao-city-ranks-as-9th-safest-in-the-world Looks great, right? Until you realize that he achieved that by running death squads and simply shooting everyone who commits crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads Maybe the cozy IOM could start by not cutting police budgets the way they did? But the innocent have nothing to fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 since the burglaries saga we are much more security conscious when we leave the house................so no, the Island is not as safe as it was. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 since the burglaries saga we are much more security conscious when we leave the house................so no, the Island is not as safe as it was. IMO You could argue the island is safer, as since the burglaries more people have wised up to the fact it isn't 1950 and it's wise to actually lock your doors and take sensible precautions, set up neighbourhood watches, actually look out for your neighbours... Resulting in mass burglaries being a lot more difficult in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 it's a possibility.............but sad that it's happened this way.............I felt a lot safer in the fifties and sixties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 it's a possibility.............but sad that it's happened this way.............I felt a lot safer in the fifties and sixties. I'm sure you did but to be honest the island needed a wake up call. It tried to exist in a utopian haze caused by abundant VAT money, full employment, (false) economic prosperity and low crime. Now the free money has gone, new employment opportunities are drying up, the well is running dry, taxes are up and resultant crime will increase. Not a pretty scenario but one which people needed to be hit with the realise times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessTickle Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Interestingly he said about 30 families were responsible for most of the crime on the island. Now that is shocking. Its also concerning that these 30 families are able to continue committing crimes and not dealt with in such a manner that would prevent them continuing this behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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