As Manx as the hills

[mojomonkey]

We Manx are a Norse and Celtic people. Of course that mixture happened well over a thousand years ago. Having a Spanish ancestor wouldn't preclude you being as Manx as the hills at all. Like I said in my previous post, it doesn't pay to over-analyse the term.

 

Are your family Manx for over a thousand years? Family history is interesting, my mother has done some family tree stuff but struggled to get much further back than 200 years.

[BossHogg]

 

 

What about origins? I'm 'Manx' but my origins (blood) are Scandinavian, Irish/Scots and a tiny bit of southern European. One of my great grandfathers was probably a crewman on board one of the doomed Spanish armada vessels shipwrecked in a great storm off the west coast of Ireland, surviving to put a tail on one of the many flame-haired local lasses and adding his genes in my mix.

Surely this applies to all of us? There sure as fuck ain't no pure Manx bloodline originating from these shores, after all, even those who remained when the tide came in and never went out again came from elsewhere.

It's a saying popular with bone-headed, wall-eyed nationalist yessir's who believe it carries some weight to an argument or whatever; as if it conveys some mysterious and esoteric significance to be considered.

Where is manxie44, anyway?

You can't go far wrong with that. Sure as hell there are no records of any real true indigenous Manx. Almost all of the bloodlines were imported at some stage whether Irish, Scots, Norse etc. That argument doesn't suit some of the yessirs out there though. We have a pretty poor cultural identity when you think about it. Most of it perpetuated by a load of diehard Manx crab yessirs who just don't like change.

It's the mixture you speak of which became the Manx.

Not exclusively as over the years, as Quilp notes, we've added other nationalities into the mix consistently as more nationalities came to the IOM. I hate this whole Manx as the hills debate to be honest. BIlly Connolly used to do a sketch about the sporran wearing shortbread tin Scots with their myopic view on what Scots national identity was and I think often those who regard themselves as Manx as the hill do the same. Worse still are the ones who do the whole Manx family name thing as being a guide to your apparent Manxness. We are a mixed culture as a result of over 1,000 years of pretty constant immigration. That doesn't suit a lot of the Manx crabs out there though. With their myopic view on what it is to be Manx.

[Tarne]

 

 

Are your family Manx for over a thousand years? Family history is interesting, my mother has done some family tree stuff but struggled to get much further back than 200 years.

 

 

Yeah, no one can properly trace their family history back a thousand years, too many bastards and branches, even the nobility struggle with it heh. Common folk have no chance because most of the time their surnames didn't exist. I consider myself Manx, my grandparents and great grandparents (as far as I know them) were Manx, but I have no idea what happened before that.

[llap]

 

 

 

What about origins? I'm 'Manx' but my origins (blood) are Scandinavian, Irish/Scots and a tiny bit of southern European. One of my great grandfathers was probably a crewman on board one of the doomed Spanish armada vessels shipwrecked in a great storm off the west coast of Ireland, surviving to put a tail on one of the many flame-haired local lasses and adding his genes in my mix.

Surely this applies to all of us? There sure as fuck ain't no pure Manx bloodline originating from these shores, after all, even those who remained when the tide came in and never went out again came from elsewhere.

It's a saying popular with bone-headed, wall-eyed nationalist yessir's who believe it carries some weight to an argument or whatever; as if it conveys some mysterious and esoteric significance to be considered.

Where is manxie44, anyway?

You can't go far wrong with that. Sure as hell there are no records of any real true indigenous Manx. Almost all of the bloodlines were imported at some stage whether Irish, Scots, Norse etc. That argument doesn't suit some of the yessirs out there though. We have a pretty poor cultural identity when you think about it. Most of it perpetuated by a load of diehard Manx crab yessirs who just don't like change.

It's the mixture you speak of which became the Manx.

Not exclusively as over the years, as Quilp notes, we've added other nationalities into the mix consistently as more nationalities came to the IOM. I hate this whole Manx as the hills debate to be honest. BIlly Connolly used to do a sketch about the sporran wearing shortbread tin Scots with their myopic view on what Scots national identity was and I think often those who regard themselves as Manx as the hill do the same. Worse still are the ones who do the whole Manx family name thing as being a guide to your apparent Manxness. We are a mixed culture as a result of over 1,000 years of pretty constant immigration. That doesn't suit a lot of the Manx crabs out there though. With their myopic view on what it is to be Manx.

 

 

Some people seem to be looking at this as a purity thing. As if there's some "pure Manx". NO. NO. NO. The Manx culture is a synthesis, an adaptation, an amalgamation, and it's a unique one which is a culture in its own right. On the other extreme, people dismiss Manx entirely and suggest we don't even exist as a unique culture, because of the same nonsensical argument of purity. No culture in the world is pure or ever was pure. All cultures are an evolution and adaptation. If there is no Manx culture then there is no English, French, Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, or any other culture. OR you could dismiss both of these fallacious arguments take the practical and logical approach and accept that culture is a constantly evolving adaptation as I've set out.

[victorian dad]

But what about Chips, Cheese & Gravy?

[Lisenchuk]

But what about Chips, Cheese & Gravy?

Only a true Manxie would slather his bollocks with it.

[llap]

Potatoes come from the Americas so chips are not Manx at all.

[mojomonkey]

Potatoes come from the Americas so chips are not Manx at all.

 

The earliest cheese making in archaeological records is in what is now Poland. God knows were gravy originates from, Yorkshire?

[Lisenchuk]

Potatoes come from the Americas so chips are not Manx at all.

Tynwald has a gravy addiction dating back over 1000 years,though.

[Barrie Stevens]

Bloody Nora Barry, what about Jimmy Clitheroe?

 

I can see you are like myself a man of highbrow culture! Greetings!

 

Surprisingly the kid did come from Clitheroe and started playing the part at the age of 35...

 

He was not as Manx as the hills. He liked "walnut whips" (That is a sweet confection not one of your perversions by the way)...Only the BBC had to call them "whipped cream walnuts". in the script...No advertising you see

 

Is that irrelevant enough for you?

[BossHogg]

 

 

 

 

What about origins? I'm 'Manx' but my origins (blood) are Scandinavian, Irish/Scots and a tiny bit of southern European. One of my great grandfathers was probably a crewman on board one of the doomed Spanish armada vessels shipwrecked in a great storm off the west coast of Ireland, surviving to put a tail on one of the many flame-haired local lasses and adding his genes in my mix.

Surely this applies to all of us? There sure as fuck ain't no pure Manx bloodline originating from these shores, after all, even those who remained when the tide came in and never went out again came from elsewhere.

It's a saying popular with bone-headed, wall-eyed nationalist yessir's who believe it carries some weight to an argument or whatever; as if it conveys some mysterious and esoteric significance to be considered.

Where is manxie44, anyway?

 

You can't go far wrong with that. Sure as hell there are no records of any real true indigenous Manx. Almost all of the bloodlines were imported at some stage whether Irish, Scots, Norse etc. That argument doesn't suit some of the yessirs out there though. We have a pretty poor cultural identity when you think about it. Most of it perpetuated by a load of diehard Manx crab yessirs who just don't like change.

It's the mixture you speak of which became the Manx.

Not exclusively as over the years, as Quilp notes, we've added other nationalities into the mix consistently as more nationalities came to the IOM. I hate this whole Manx as the hills debate to be honest. BIlly Connolly used to do a sketch about the sporran wearing shortbread tin Scots with their myopic view on what Scots national identity was and I think often those who regard themselves as Manx as the hill do the same. Worse still are the ones who do the whole Manx family name thing as being a guide to your apparent Manxness. We are a mixed culture as a result of over 1,000 years of pretty constant immigration. That doesn't suit a lot of the Manx crabs out there though. With their myopic view on what it is to be Manx.

Some people seem to be looking at this as a purity thing. As if there's some "pure Manx". NO. NO. NO. The Manx culture is a synthesis, an adaptation, an amalgamation, and it's a unique one which is a culture in its own right. On the other extreme, people dismiss Manx entirely and suggest we don't even exist as a unique culture, because of the same nonsensical argument of purity. No culture in the world is pure or ever was pure. All cultures are an evolution and adaptation. If there is no Manx culture then there is no English, French, Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, or any other culture. OR you could dismiss both of these fallacious arguments take the practical and logical approach and accept that culture is a constantly evolving adaptation as I've set out.

Not at all. But the only people who I see who proclaim that they are as Manx as the hills are young men in track suits who shout "Heyboy" loudly at their acquaintances in pubs, or bearded middle aged jumper wearers who work for middle management in the civil service doing largely nothing but complaining about how things aren't like they used it be. They're the equivalent of Billy Connollys short bread tin Scots. I don't believe either represents what it is to be Manx.

[quilp]

 

 

 

 

What about origins? I'm 'Manx' but my origins (blood) are Scandinavian, Irish/Scots and a tiny bit of southern European. One of my great grandfathers was probably a crewman on board one of the doomed Spanish armada vessels shipwrecked in a great storm off the west coast of Ireland, surviving to put a tail on one of the many flame-haired local lasses and adding his genes in my mix.

Surely this applies to all of us? There sure as fuck ain't no pure Manx bloodline originating from these shores, after all, even those who remained when the tide came in and never went out again came from elsewhere.

It's a saying popular with bone-headed, wall-eyed nationalist yessir's who believe it carries some weight to an argument or whatever; as if it conveys some mysterious and esoteric significance to be considered.

Where is manxie44, anyway?

You can't go far wrong with that. Sure as hell there are no records of any real true indigenous Manx. Almost all of the bloodlines were imported at some stage whether Irish, Scots, Norse etc. That argument doesn't suit some of the yessirs out there though. We have a pretty poor cultural identity when you think about it. Most of it perpetuated by a load of diehard Manx crab yessirs who just don't like change.

It's the mixture you speak of which became the Manx.

Not exclusively as over the years, as Quilp notes, we've added other nationalities into the mix consistently as more nationalities came to the IOM. I hate this whole Manx as the hills debate to be honest. BIlly Connolly used to do a sketch about the sporran wearing shortbread tin Scots with their myopic view on what Scots national identity was and I think often those who regard themselves as Manx as the hill do the same. Worse still are the ones who do the whole Manx family name thing as being a guide to your apparent Manxness. We are a mixed culture as a result of over 1,000 years of pretty constant immigration. That doesn't suit a lot of the Manx crabs out there though. With their myopic view on what it is to be Manx.

Some people seem to be looking at this as a purity thing. As if there's some "pure Manx". NO. NO. NO. The Manx culture is a synthesis, an adaptation, an amalgamation, and it's a unique one which is a culture in its own right. On the other extreme, people dismiss Manx entirely and suggest we don't even exist as a unique culture, because of the same nonsensical argument of purity. No culture in the world is pure or ever was pure. All cultures are an evolution and adaptation. If there is no Manx culture then there is no English, French, Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, or any other culture. OR you could dismiss both of these fallacious arguments take the practical and logical approach and accept that culture is a constantly evolving adaptation as I've set out.

You say that Manx culture is "unique in its own right". I fail to see this. What is so different from Irish, or Scots, Welsh, etc.? Convince me there exists a uniqueness in our culture. What makes the difference?

 

Apologies for the bloat quote.

[llap]

Quilp, the exact same question can be asked of the Scottish, Irish and Welsh. Or French and English. What is unique about their cultures? Why are Manx people the ones picked out and told we have no culture because we share so much in common with the others? I think you're looking at this in too much of a modular way, as if there's culture A, culture B, culture C, all in their nice little boxes, entirely separate. No. Cultures A, B and C are more like three circles where most of them overlap. We share a lot in common and that doesn't mean we're not different cultures. In the past there were more unique things. Now in the 21st century most of Europe has been americanised and culture has been replaced by commercialism so it's a lot more difficult now to talk of cultural differences.

[quilp]

I don't see any difference in our culture when comparing it to any of our closest neighbours. It's not me trying to be modular.

 

Therefore there is nothing unique about Manx culture.

[llap]

I don't see any difference in our culture when comparing it to any of our closest neighbours. It's not me trying to be modular.

 

Therefore there is nothing unique about Manx culture.

 

The Isle of Man and its people have their own history, language, literature, music, folklore, mythology, art, ecology, micro-evolution, and political economy.