Parrot Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 33 minutes ago, Neil Down said: 1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said: Gibraltar gets 20 cruise ships a month...we get the same a season. Are there really that many cruises covering the Irish Sea? Methinks much of this proposal is about telling people what they want to hear, with few reality checks on the build, usage and post-Brexit seascape. I fear the government are being hypnotised over this, and taxpayers money will be pissed away...again. Our government being hypnotised...surely this cannot happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 10 hours ago, Max Power said: I'm hoping that the promise of private funding is real, the risk is then not ours. The island has quite a lot to offer, we just can't see it sometimes. What has Orkney, Skye, Shetland or Guernsey etc got to offer? These are cruise ship destinations too/ they don't charge landing fees, the gov. pay.... so thats private investment out...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Gibraltar gets 20 cruise ships a month...we get the same a season. Are there really that many cruises covering the Irish Sea? Not vast numbers out there. http://crew-center.com/liverpool-england-cruise-ship-arrival-schedule-2017 Many websites list the cruise ships port schedules, the one above gives you Liverpool for this year as an example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Parrot said: David Ashford MHK? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, slinkydevil said: David Ashford MHK? Beat me too it! Brilliant! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaStar Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, Max Power said: I'm hoping that the promise of private funding is real, the risk is then not ours. The island has quite a lot to offer, we just can't see it sometimes. What has Orkney, Skye, Shetland or Guernsey etc got to offer? These are cruise ship destinations too/ I believe Guernsey has duty free shopping and doesn't need this sort of investment anyway as it already has a deep Port. Shetland (a major oil tanker port already) and Orkney (which has Kirkwall/Halston which is one of the deepest ports in Europe and is the deepest commercial port in Scotland) already have commercial deep ports too due to the North sea oil traffic so also don't need to make this sort of capital investment to attract cruises so it's an add on to the economy at little extra cost. Both are quite small and very scenic and very much heritage type destinations. I doubt there is ever a penny exchanged in the shops though but if you have the infrastructure anyway due to the oil industry it's probably a nice little ad on. As I said I think the driver for the IOM is some sort of VAT claim they can make against each landed tourist so it's not about spend in shops. If our VAT relationship changed as a result of Brexit I can't imagine revenue from the shops or from spend in the local economy comes anywhere near making a dent in the capital investment required to build this structure. Edited June 29, 2017 by MediaStar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Give the problem over to Cretiney and firestarter. Within months, we'll have a state of the art pier going 2 miles out from the bottom of Broadway.No expense spared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaStar Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Give the problem over to Cretiney and firestarter. Within months, we'll have a state of the art pier going 2 miles out from the bottom of Broadway.No expense spared Who is fire starter? The only one I know is no longer in government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I know we have been led down the garden path before, surely lessons have been learned? This in my mind is certainly worth exploring further and while we all have opinions on MF, we must be encouraged by the fact that private investment could be forthcoming? If there is little risk to the island, what can go wrong? Surely there is a lot to gain if things stack up and we keep things at arms length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaStar Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Max Power said: I know we have been led down the garden path before, surely lessons have been learned? This in my mind is certainly worth exploring further and while we all have opinions on MF, we must be encouraged by the fact that private investment could be forthcoming? If there is little risk to the island, what can go wrong? Surely there is a lot to gain if things stack up and we keep things at arms length? You get to an age where you get cynical on the basis that everytime these sort have schemes have been touted in the last 40 years the private investment mentioned at the start usually fails to materialize. Other ports haven't needed to make the investment that is required here to make it work so it's a nice add on. You're not investing £10-20m on the back of a shaky business case. As I said above due to the offshore oil industry Shetland and Orkney already have deep ports that will take cruisliners as they're already large commercial ports making millions off the oil industry activity. If you get a few cruise liners on top great as it's not costing you much to accommodate them (even if they spend nothing). Our business case is very different. Edited June 29, 2017 by MediaStar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 How much to really go for it and expand Douglas harbour so it can take the much larger ships and ferries common elsewhere so that new tonnage and/or new operators can get their RoRo/RoPax ferries into the harbour? At the moment you are restricted in terms of alternative operators to the Steampacket. The restrictions also mean that it is very difficult to buy or charter ships able to use Douglas harbour..So ships usually have to be newbuilds or old rust buckets from a previous time when ships were smaller. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 51 minutes ago, MediaStar said: Who is fire starter? The only one I know is no longer in government. That was the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, slinkydevil said: 4 hours ago, Parrot said: David Ashford MHK? First thing I thought of, but wasn't going to be the first person to say it. Edited June 29, 2017 by Parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 40 minutes ago, Max Power said: I know we have been led down the garden path before, surely lessons have been learned? This in my mind is certainly worth exploring further and while we all have opinions on MF, we must be encouraged by the fact that private investment could be forthcoming? If there is little risk to the island, what can go wrong? Surely there is a lot to gain if things stack up and we keep things at arms length? guess your taking the mick....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 33 minutes ago, MediaStar said: You get to an age where you get cynical on the basis that everytime these sort have schemes have been touted in the last 40 years the private investment mentioned at the start usually fails to materialize. Other ports haven't needed to make the investment that is required here to make it work so it's a nice add on. You're not investing £10-20m on the back of a shaky business case. As I said above due to the offshore oil industry Shetland and Orkney already have deep ports that will take cruisliners as they're already large commercial ports making millions off the oil industry activity. If you get a few cruise liners on top great as it's not costing you much to accommodate them (even if they spend nothing). Our business case is very different. invergordon is the busiest for cruise ships in scotland..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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