twinkle Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, LightBulb said: Driver as in Bus Driver, not as in Computer Driver, would you get out of your car, without putting on the hand brake, if you where on a hill ? I rarely use my handbrake, only when the missus gives me grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chutney Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Ahhh didn’t see the original thread. If the tale is correct I’m not sure what they can do with this one. From a prosecution perspective I can’t see he’s done much wrong because he wasnt actually the driver at the time as he was out of the bus and he had no control of brakes or steering, also he hadn’t failed to set the handbrake. I Reckon it’s a discipline matter only. Black rat Flinty may say otherwise on traffic stuff, it was a long time ago for me and laws like hairstyles change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I don’t think we ever got told why the bus crashed into the IOM Bank at Prospect Hill many moons ago did we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Chutney said: Ahhh didn’t see the original thread. If the tale is correct I’m not sure what they can do with this one. From a prosecution perspective I can’t see he’s done much wrong because he wasnt actually the driver at the time as he was out of the bus and he had no control of brakes or steering, also he hadn’t failed to set the handbrake. I Reckon it’s a discipline matter only. Black rat Flinty may say otherwise on traffic stuff, it was a long time ago for me and laws like hairstyles change. Are you for real ? was not the driver?? Then who the fuck was? I know your past employment and can’t belidve you said that , Are you saying that some drunk can then get out of his ( or her ) car without applying the brakes and there is no issue and any resulting damage is not the drivers fault ? Jesus fella think again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Terminal said: I don’t think we ever got told why the bus crashed into the IOM Bank at Prospect Hill many moons ago did we? The driver was startled by a posse of armed police on the opposite side of the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chutney Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Yes Dilli it’s exactly what I’m saying. He may be in charge of the vehicle but if he has no control of the brakes and steering he’s no longer the driver. There has always been an offence of drunk in charge of a vehicle and one of failing to set the handbrake. But beyond that no. if you get out of your car and it rolls down the hill and kills someone are you the driver ? When do you stop being the driver ? 10 secs, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chutney said: Yes Dilli it’s exactly what I’m saying. He may be in charge of the vehicle but if he has no control of the brakes and steering he’s no longer the driver. There has always been an offence of drunk in charge of a vehicle and one of failing to set the handbrake. But beyond that no. if you get out of your car and it rolls down the hill and kills someone are you the driver ? When do you stop being the driver ? 10 secs, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day ? There is of course a difference between criminal, and civil, responsibility. And Isle of Man Transport will be vicariously liable, in the law of negligence, for the acts of their employee ( if negligence was present ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Chutney said: Yes Dilli it’s exactly what I’m saying. He may be in charge of the vehicle but if he has no control of the brakes and steering he’s no longer the driver. There has always been an offence of drunk in charge of a vehicle and one of failing to set the handbrake. But beyond that no. if you get out of your car and it rolls down the hill and kills someone are you the driver ? When do you stop being the driver ? 10 secs, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day ? Chutney I don’t wish to be rude but you are being fucking stupid here. That bus driver was In charge of the bus FULL STOP You were a copper ffs. Why are you doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: There is of course a difference between criminal, and civil, responsibility. And Isle of Man Transport will be vicariously liable, in the law of negligence, for the acts of their employee ( if negligence was present ) Are you saying there is some sort of corperate liability and the driver is exempt from prosecution That is bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I don't think the driver should get done for it. Could be the first time in Manx history a lesson will actually be learned. By the other drivers too.i liken it to Allison's cruyff turn at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Terminal said: I don’t think we ever got told why the bus crashed into the IOM Bank at Prospect Hill many moons ago did we? They’re working on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Chutney said: Yes Dilli it’s exactly what I’m saying. He may be in charge of the vehicle but if he has no control of the brakes and steering he’s no longer the driver. There has always been an offence of drunk in charge of a vehicle and one of failing to set the handbrake. But beyond that no. if you get out of your car and it rolls down the hill and kills someone are you the driver ? When do you stop being the driver ? 10 secs, 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day ? I’m having serious problems understanding your logic on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Neil Down said: I’m having serious problems understanding your logic on this. I have only ever been a slave to tobacco and alcohol? But obviously there is so much more out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, dilligaf said: I have only ever been a slave to tobacco and alcohol? But obviously there is so much more out there One of the more bizarre posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I don't think the driver should get done for it. Could be the first time in Manx history a lesson will actually be learned. By the other drivers too.i liken it to Allison's cruyff turn at the weekend. Not you best post eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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