ballaughbiker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Link? What you say does not appear correct for UK use but does match the limitations imposed by certain other EU countries. Some countries ban their use entirely but they remain legal in the UK if all the brakes work at the same time as the towing vehicle if the towed car is >750kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, woody2 said: doesn't matter.....a-frame is only to be used to the nearest safe place........ hardly see it in the uk now........mate of mine got a big fine........ Under the U.K. law the towed car is considered as a trailer, if it’s braked, has over-run and the towed car electrics, brake lights, indicators etc are controlled from the towing vehicle. Some countries accept this and follow the same. Its been accepted in Spain for visiting motorists, but not for locals. Think you are confusing Dolly and unbraked A frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Don't use one in Germany John. Someone I know who tows the same small car as me (<750kg) got his cars impounded at a service area there until the towed car had been put on a trailer. Turned out to be a very expensive day as he was forced to immediately buy a trailer. This led me to buy the shortest Brian James car trailer which tows much nicer than any A frame and there's no worry about transmission damage of the towed car or different laws in different countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 not under the construction and use regulations........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 A frames C & U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 A frames now illegal in Spain Are you sure you're not interested in buying one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 i will check but i think he was done for brakes on the car been ineffective without the engine running........ a-frame is only to be used to the nearest safe place in all other cases...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, John Wright said: unbraked A frames. all a-frames are unbraked....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The A frame itself might be unbraked but there is an electrical system available that works off the brake light circuit for use with an A frame that applies the towed car brakes. How well those brakes are applied is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, ballaughbiker said: The A frame itself might be unbraked but there is an electrical system available that works off the brake light circuit for use with an A frame that applies the towed car brakes. How well those brakes are applied is another matter. Completely correct. Braked trailers have to have a minimum braking efficiency. That applies to a car, considered to be a trailer, towed by an electrically braked A frame system. Those that are sold to the motorhome community are claimed to meet the minimum standards. As usual W2 is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: A frames now illegal in Spain Are you sure you're not interested in buying one? That’s been the law for many years. However there have been several administrative court decisions accepting that the A Frame and towed car combo are a remolque. As long as the remolque meets Spanish trailer regulations its legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, John Wright said: That’s been the law for many years. However there have been several administrative court decisions accepting that the A Frame and towed car combo are a remolque. As long as the remolque meets Spanish trailer regulations its legal. @John Wright, did you get my PM regarding a possible trailer solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, finlo said: @John Wright, did you get my PM regarding a possible trailer solution? No. Unless you have a sockpuppet and used another account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 39 minutes ago, John Wright said: No. Unless you have a sockpuppet and used another account? I don't, but it shows in my list of posts in my profile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: The A frame itself might be unbraked but there is an electrical system available that works off the brake light circuit for use with an A frame that applies the towed car brakes. How well those brakes are applied is another matter. 15 hours ago, John Wright said: Completely correct. Braked trailers have to have a minimum braking efficiency. That applies to a car, considered to be a trailer, towed by an electrically braked A frame system. Those that are sold to the motorhome community are claimed to meet the minimum standards. As usual W2 is wrong. yawn...... he was done because the brake servo isn't powered........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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