Zarley Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 One thing that puzzles me is that there hasn't been anyone in ICU since sometime in September (IIRC) but yet we've had three deaths in October. Are they no longer intubating elderly covid patients or something? Liverpool Pathway? DNRs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, Max Power said: It's strange Roger, one chap, mid 40s died earlier this year after two months in ICU and there was no announcement of him as a statistic? His family were told that although he was admitted with Covid, displayed all the symptoms, he eventually died of non Covid related causes, brought on by Covid? Covid should still have been listed on the death certificate I would have thought, if not as the main/underlying reason, at least contributory. When they started producing these figures a couple of months ago, they also admitted that it picked up some cases which hadn't been announced or listed, so maybe it was one of these. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zarley said: Are they no longer intubating elderly covid patients or something? Nothing new here, nor special about covid. Intensive Care specialists have always had to make decisions on who to ventilate - it's not a treatment that's used unless the patient has a good chance of being able to come off it. For example, if you're elderly, frail, with heart failure and COPD, and get admitted with a chest infection you're not going to get ventilated on ITU. Similar with DNR orders - CPR is only likely to be useful if the heart is the first thing to fail, not the last. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 8:29 PM, pongo said: The notion of a "fear agenda" is bs conspiracy nonsense. Everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy of some sort. I think you need to take your tin foil hat off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Max Power said: It's strange Roger, one chap, mid 40s died earlier this year after two months in ICU and there was no announcement of him as a statistic? His family were told that although he was admitted with Covid, displayed all the symptoms, he eventually died of non Covid related causes, brought on by Covid? That isn't so unusual. Cause of death isn't usually mentioned as influenza if a person becomes unwell with the flu, which then sets off a chain reaction of unfortunate issues in an already susceptible body due to pre-existing conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Danoo said: That isn't so unusual. Cause of death isn't usually mentioned as influenza if a person becomes unwell with the flu, which then sets off a chain reaction of unfortunate issues in an already susceptible body due to pre-existing conditions. He was mid forties and no underlying illness as far as I know. I think Roger covered it above? It was known in the UK that the expiry date for a Covid death for statistics was 28 days from diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, Zarley said: One thing that puzzles me is that there hasn't been anyone in ICU since sometime in September (IIRC) but yet we've had three deaths in October. Are they no longer intubating elderly covid patients or something? Liverpool Pathway? DNRs? Hospice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On the covid figures daily when it says theres , currently none , X many in ICU is that across the board or just covid related ?? I took it to be ,as its on the Covid stats , that its just Covid related but thats just my perception . Anyone clarify this please ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: On the covid figures daily when it says theres , currently none , X many in ICU is that across the board or just covid related ?? I took it to be ,as its on the Covid stats , that its just Covid related but thats just my perception . Anyone clarify this please ?? Just covid related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 minute ago, thommo2010 said: Just covid related Thanks for that . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo65 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Im not a huge fan of the telegraph either, and some of their coronavirus coverage, especially in the earlier phase of the pandemic was appalling. The article in questions was about advice given to SAGE by the spi-b committee. On an entirely different subject I note that the guardian are reporting that the virus doesn't do bad things to your brain, as claimed by many alarmists. Have you the link to that? I think you need to distinguish between people reporting findings of research or papers and alarmism. If something appears concerning to professionals they should raise awareness. That way others can check. That's how science works. The problem is that that people pick up what scientists or doctors say when addressing mainly other scientists & doctors when the warning of this is preliminary evidence is implicit. To that wider audience that warning isn't implicit because interpreting what those groups say to among themselves is not part of their normal activity. FWiW I think there's clear evidence to believe the brain is affected to some degree in some cases during acute infection but whether that leaves any significant long term deficit is not settled and nor is it clear whether its a general occurance Edited November 4, 2021 by momo65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo65 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Nom de plume said: Vaxed? Underlying health conditions? Age? There are lots and lots of people dying everyday sadly of lots and lots of things. Underlying health conditions? Really? Is a 40y old with type 1 diabetes in some way less worthy of life or compassion than anyone else? What that question really suggests is someone wanting to be justified that they don't have to care. Yes people die all the time in say car crashes so we do our best, by imposing mitigations by law, to reduce those. Most are due to human failures. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, momo65 said: Have you the link to that? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/03/covid-19-virus-does-not-infect-human-brain-cells-new-study-suggests 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, momo65 said: Underlying health conditions? Really? Is a 40y old with type 1 diabetes in some way less worthy of life or compassion than anyone else? No, but they are more likely to die from things that wouldn’t be an issue for most of the rest of us. We can’t all change our lives to protect every individual, no matter how lovely that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 That's it, I'm gonna start having a nasal lavage with undiluted Dettol from tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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