Will Halsall Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/21/2022 at 7:07 PM, asitis said: Dandara are toxic for the island. You only have to look at their behaviour towards Fort Island Hotel where they are creating an eyesore and hazard simply because at the moment they can't get their own way ! The tail is wagging the dog ! asitis, I do think that is the one good thing that Dandara/FIDL are not at fault for, their behaviour has actually been exemplary, it's the behaviour of the Golf Links owners and the DHRC that has let the area down. Here is another example of the Golf Links owners bad behaviour: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/reinstate-right-of-way-family-told-554411 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Halsall Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Stu Peters said: I'm sure he answered the question in good faith and based on the 'facts' provided to him by Bus Vannin. Not his fault if he was given duff gen. I am sure he didn't, and if he did he was at best extremely naive! For goodness sake, there has been plenty of 'duff gen' from that department, so he should have checked and double checked! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Will Halsall said: asitis, I do think that is the one good thing that Dandara/FIDL are not at fault for, their behaviour has actually been exemplary, it's the behaviour of the Golf Links owners and the DHRC that has let the area down. Here is another example of the Golf Links owners bad behaviour: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/reinstate-right-of-way-family-told-554411 I normally agree with you Will, however in this respect Dandara bought that site to build apartments, they had no intention of building within the planning permissions which existed . There may well have been nimbyisms and obstacles placed in their way, but the bottom line is, none of that could have happened if the consents which were already in place were adhered to. Profit is the driver here, maybe for all parties but the public suffer an eyesore because of it. The government have no desire to upset Dandara and make them do something it's pathetic ! 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Stu Peters said: I'm sure he answered the question in good faith and based on the 'facts' provided to him by Bus Vannin. Not his fault if he was given duff gen. I'm sorry Stu but answering the question in good faith from anything to do with DOI is a completly flawed exercise and shows a naivety in respect of any civil servant in that department . It also very naive that you should adopt the stance you have taken too. The world and its wife knows that department has been economical with the truth for years and you being a MHK should know that. I wouldnt believe anything I was told without hard facts and before answering would make sure , for the 70k plus salary , i knew the truth. It was open season on facebook about the failures of buses in that period so how he could say what he did is mindblowing. That whole department is a clusterfuck and needs broken up , some cleared out , and a new agenda to not lie and make some attempt to balance the books in projects. Edited July 23, 2022 by Numbnuts 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Stu Peters said: I'm sure he answered the question in good faith and based on the 'facts' provided to him by Bus Vannin. Not his fault if he was given duff gen. Would you, as an MHK, accept what you suspected was 'duff' information that contradicted what your eyes and ears were telling you? Or would you earn your not insignificant salary by asking to see some hard data to back that up before reporting it as official to the public? EDIT: Just seen the previous post which more or less mirrors mine. Edited July 23, 2022 by Lxxx 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 The DOI is too big it definitely needs splitting up into manageable departments at the moment the remit is unwieldy, bunching lots of different areas of responsibility together to save money sounds fine in theory but does not work in practice. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 A cynical viewpoint: There is no recourse for cs telling lies, or for that matter any other questionable and immoral behaviour. There's no fear for loss of job or salary, no demotion (irrelevant anyway as there is never any loss of salary), no shame as cs are hidden behind a veil of Ministerial ego. Once the general election is over, constituents and the general population of the Isle of Man can just fuck off for five years - the cs take over....eagerly awaiting to see just how soft the knacker will be that becomes Minister for their Department. It's largely irrelevant anyway as at the end of the day each politician will be an easy enough nut to crack - all with varying degrees of ego and vanity to gently massage. For that is the main task of the senior cs. The metaphorical cock sucking can be hard to swallow but the good salary, pension and conditions soon make up for that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Will Halsall said: I am sure he didn't, and if he did he was at best extremely naive! For goodness sake, there has been plenty of 'duff gen' from that department, so he should have checked and double checked! With an anonymous forum I have no idea what level of managerial expertise you have, but if, in my new role at IOMP, someone complains their post hasn't been delivered, I'll ask the CEO to investigate and report. I won't break the chain and go behind their back for second and third opinions. If it later transpired I'd been fed duff info I'd deal with that. I wonder if that's what happened in BV? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Halsall Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, asitis said: I normally agree with you Will, however in this respect Dandara bought that site to build apartments, they had no intention of building within the planning permissions which existed . There may well have been nimbyisms and obstacles placed in their way, but the bottom line is, none of that could have happened if the consents which were already in place were adhered to. Profit is the driver here, maybe for all parties but the public suffer an eyesore because of it. The government have no desire to upset Dandara and make them do something it's pathetic ! Likewise, I normally agree with you too, but I don't share your stance on this one, though I respectfully understand your reasoning. There is so much to this story, particularly the 'split purchase' of the hotel and the Links (including roads and lodge); my understanding is that the owners of the Links were miffed that they missed out on the hotel too as it happens, hence the attempted tinkering of the Area Plan and subsequent court case that was granted in favour of Heritage/Dandara/FIDL. If you read into all of the planning applications over the past 5 years around the Derbyhaven area, along with who objects to what and the vanity projects such as illuminated geese etc. I think it gives a good insight into some people treating the area as their own personal fiefdom; the constant objections to the hotel development are more to do with this attitude than the betterment of the area. Edited July 23, 2022 by Will Halsall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: With an anonymous forum I have no idea what level of managerial expertise you have, but if, in my new role at IOMP, someone complains their post hasn't been delivered, I'll ask the CEO to investigate and report. I won't break the chain and go behind their back for second and third opinions. If it later transpired I'd been fed duff info I'd deal with that. I wonder if that's what happened in BV? Sorry Stu but why are you asking the CEO about something so low level? I am sure their time could be better spent? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Halsall Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: With an anonymous forum I have no idea what level of managerial expertise you have, but if, in my new role at IOMP, someone complains their post hasn't been delivered, I'll ask the CEO to investigate and report. I won't break the chain and go behind their back for second and third opinions. If it later transpired I'd been fed duff info I'd deal with that. I wonder if that's what happened in BV? I am not anonymous on this forum Stu, and I post under my own name. I can confirm that in the Passenger Transport sector I have significantly more managerial experience than both you and Tim Crookall added together - I owned a company that specialised in several areas of the Passenger Transport industry from 1991 - 2015, with a client list including MerseyTravel/Rail, GMPTE/TFGM, Metro Link, Northern Rail, Network Rail, Virgin Rail, Bucks, Links, York, Cheshire etc. etc. Your analogy (telling Simon Kneen that Mrs Quilliam didn't get a post card from her daughter in Benidorm) is akin to climate change denial. Cregeen misled HoK and Crookall has misled us all too with that statement, he really should have double checked because he is paid handsomely to furnish Tynwald and the public with honest answers - ffs, there is plenty of history of ministers falling on their swords due to 'duff gen'! Just because you like the fact that he is a 'no bullshit type of guy', it doesn't make him a suitable minister, and again this has been proven by his actions. Congratulations are in the post for your new role btw, if you don't receive them, tell Simon CEO!!! 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: Sorry Stu but why are you asking the CEO about something so low level? Would you not point them to complaints and enquiries. But if you are going to quote information to an audience of your peers as truth and it seems like shite, I would make sure the info was right. Not regurgitate it ad lib, and then say its not my fault its what they told me to say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stu Peters said: With an anonymous forum I have no idea what level of managerial expertise you have, but if, in my new role at IOMP, someone complains their post hasn't been delivered, I'll ask the CEO to investigate and report. I won't break the chain and go behind their back for second and third opinions. If it later transpired I'd been fed duff info I'd deal with that. I wonder if that's what happened in BV? Interesting take on a situation but not really a good analogue. As I said above the world and his wife knows that the DOI is a completly disfunctional operation and history would say that you wouldnt believe anything coming out of that department. Almost weekly they are seen to be economical with the truth and with all the fuss about no show and late buses as minister in charge you would want to see some proof that indeed the service was running as advertised . Again the same social media is available to Tim Crookall as to any of us and we knew the bus service was falling along way short. Also the point that your missing is if information was given to Tim then the people giving him it were clearly lying or someone is. !! Edited July 23, 2022 by Numbnuts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zarley Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Maybe Crookall did double-check and the same lies were reiterated? As for him checking social media, who has time for that? How much fake news would one have to wade through on SM when searching for the truth of any given situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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