keyboarder Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 As for the other thing, Greenlight was following Robert Dunlop , live on the BBC, when he crashed, and no-one wants to see that happen again. Actually, you might not but plenty of people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeddan Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think local knowledge plays a massive part in the coverage in the way of filming positions, travel to these positions (and indeed around the island during this traffic hectic period), relevent cut-aways, knowledge of the course's run, editing and voice-over/presentation. you can just imagine it now! Cameramen getting lost pronuniciations of the course being said wrong irrelevent cut-aways parts of the course showing up in the wrong order knowledge of the event will be the documented minimum The list go's on and on. I think they should get Greenlight to do the job on their behalf An experienced professional production company will tackle all these things - local knowledge does not make up for that. You recce, research, plan, prepare maps, movement orders, schedules, check everything, etc. etc. (the list goes on and on). Of course this means hiring in some local knowledge and expertise. Not saying Greenlight aren't experienced and professional - I don't know - but 'being local' shouldn't be the main criteria for choosing who will do the best job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahc Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 North One will probably hire ex-Greenlight staff anyway. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTucker Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 'being local' shouldn't be the main criteria for choosing who will do the best job. hang on Greenlight are a proper company on the world stage they have proved their worth time and time again so the can clearly do the best job and regardless of their position on live broadcasting they are a manx company and deserve to be sat at the table when the TT pie is carved up. contracts should be negoitated but why was this one given to an off island company for 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deejay Denzel Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think local knowledge plays a massive part in the coverage in the way of filming positions, travel to these positions (and indeed around the island during this traffic hectic period), relevent cut-aways, knowledge of the course's run, editing and voice-over/presentation. you can just imagine it now! Cameramen getting lost pronuniciations of the course being said wrong irrelevent cut-aways parts of the course showing up in the wrong order knowledge of the event will be the documented minimum The list go's on and on. I think they should get Greenlight to do the job on their behalf An experienced professional production company will tackle all these things - local knowledge does not make up for that. You recce, research, plan, prepare maps, movement orders, schedules, check everything, etc. etc. (the list goes on and on). Of course this means hiring in some local knowledge and expertise. Not saying Greenlight aren't experienced and professional - I don't know - but 'being local' shouldn't be the main criteria for choosing who will do the best job. How many times has a uk organisation or individual come to the Isle of Man thinking they have prepared themselves for what is in store here and left with their tales between their legs or bowing down to doing things "our" way? Because believe it or not.. the isle of man is unique to anywhere in the uk or abroad as to how it operates within law, custom and social issues. Just when they thought the were having crab for dinner, they were made to queue up with the crabs and made to do what the crabs do, do it our way. Nothing can prepare you for TT week without experiencing it for yourself, everything goes out the window and only those with a residents knowledge manages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIVER Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think local knowledge plays a massive part in the coverage in the way of filming positions, travel to these positions (and indeed around the island during this traffic hectic period), relevent cut-aways, knowledge of the course's run, editing and voice-over/presentation. you can just imagine it now! Cameramen getting lost pronuniciations of the course being said wrong irrelevent cut-aways parts of the course showing up in the wrong order knowledge of the event will be the documented minimum The list go's on and on. I think they should get Greenlight to do the job on their behalf An experienced professional production company will tackle all these things - local knowledge does not make up for that. You recce, research, plan, prepare maps, movement orders, schedules, check everything, etc. etc. (the list goes on and on). Of course this means hiring in some local knowledge and expertise. Not saying Greenlight aren't experienced and professional - I don't know - but 'being local' shouldn't be the main criteria for choosing who will do the best job. How many times has a uk organisation or individual come to the Isle of Man thinking they have prepared themselves for what is in store here and left with their tales between their legs or bowing down to doing things "our" way? Because believe it or not.. the isle of man is unique to anywhere in the uk or abroad as to how it operates within law, custom and social issues. Just when they thought the were having crab for dinner, they were made to queue up with the crabs and made to do what the crabs do, do it our way. Nothing can prepare you for TT week without experiencing it for yourself, everything goes out the window and only those with a residents knowledge manages. How long till NORTH 1 (iom)ltd is registered over here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naighteyr Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 How long till NORTH 1 (iom)ltd is registered over here ? They'll need to do something, because even if they only have staff here for race week that'll bring them into work permit territory (unless the govt can conveniently sidestep that one becuase 'it's the TT') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman27 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 what would happen if the people who kindly let Greenlight TV on to their properties to film, refuse to give North One access, that would screw them up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Calling Isle of Man Young Farmers. why don't private land owners charge North One TV for the privilege of using peoples land. The TT charge Burger Vans for using a pitch near the track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I don't agree that charging North One will achieve much and will only harm the TT. They are a highly professional production company (as Greenlight are) and we should at least give them the chance to see what they can do for the TT and the IOM. At the end of the day Greenlight lost out in a competitive tender and the fact that they are local did not put them at a disadvantage. That's business..we always complain that there is a lack of competition in the IOM and when we have it...we're complaining! Greenlight will recover from this and there's plenty of other motorsport to keep them busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I thought Greenlight lost the Contract because they would not Broadcast the races live and not on price. Motor sport events in some countries are only of pay per view, will that be the same for the TT. This year you had to pay £20 to listen to the races on Manx Radio, so it could be going down the same road maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRIVER Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Who would watch it live on tv in europe most people are at work, school , uni etc, or are they more interested in the far east and american markets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gonzo Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 How many times has a uk organisation or individual come to the Isle of Man thinking they have prepared themselves for what is in store here and left with their tales between their legs or bowing down to doing things "our" way? Yeah - like Cable and Wireless. Or HSBC. Or Bank of Scotland International. Or Skandia. Or Kaupthing. Or Total. Or any number of companies that have come from elsewhere, set up in the Island and made a go of it. The fact is that until the company sets up here and you see the result, it's a bit early to call for landowners boycotts, lynchings, etc. Personally, I don't think I've ever seen Greenlight's coverage - we residents can go watch the racing live. Had this gone the other way and Greenlight were handed the contract because they were local, wouldn't you kick up a fuss because it would be jobs for the boys? Wouldn't you be asking questions about corrupt tendering processes? Fact 1: there was a tendering process. Fact 2: Greenlight didn't win it. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee54 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Just been sent this statement and I believe its from Paul Philips. It certainly clears up any misunderstanding over the current story. As part of an on-going process to improve the commercial revenues that the Isle of Man TT Races generates the DTL has reviewed all of the commercial contracts associated with the TT. The Television contract, which has been in place for a number of years, was due for review ahead of the 2009 TT races as part of the Government requirement to ensure fair and proper practice in the awarding of all commercial contracts. The TT races television contract represents an excellent opportunity to promote the Isle of Man as well as the TT and the Department have to maximise the opportunity by working with the company that it believe's will deliver the best return. Any revenue generated by the TT races is invested back into the event, with a particular focus on safety. All interested parties were invited to submit a tender document and the leading four companies were invited to present their ideas in person. There seems to be a belief that this process involved Greenlight and one other company. The reality is that there were four companies involved in the tender. North One have been chosen because they presented the strongest tender to build the TT into a world class sports brand. Their presentation demonstrated the best understanding of how the event can grow and also how both the TT races and the Isle of Man can benefit from comprehensive, global TV coverage, helping ultimately to attract more visitors and investment to the island. As a company North One are one of Europe’s biggest and most respected production companies with a wide range of programming across sport, factual and general entertainment. As part of All3Media Group North One has a reputation for high end live sport productions including award winning work for Formula One on ITV and as global host broadcaster for the World Rally Championship. The DTL believe that North One will create programming opportunities globally that will appeal to a broader reach of Sports fans, not just those interested in road racing. In order to attract the kind of revenue required the TT must deliver a greater return on investment to the Isle of Man. The DTL believe that North One’s proposals will deliver greater experience to the ‘armchair’ fans, who hopefully will be persuaded to visit the island in the future. The experience for ‘on island’ fans will improve as ideas are being looked at to show footage from around the course at key spectator points. That is a long term vision and may not be possible for 2009. North One as a company has excellent links with ITV and will negotiate with them to show the TT in 2009 and beyond. The contract will also open up other exciting opportunities with television companies worldwide. Greenlight TV have done an excellent job in providing TT footage to TV stations around the world and the DTL Minister has already gone on record to thank them for all their hard work. Live television has been mentioned several times here. There was no requirement in the tender for essential live coverage, but as with any pitch for work you look for innovation. There is a possibility that a live broadcast may become a reality in the future, but it will be a professionally managed, time delay broadcast that will not compromise the reputation of the event. There is enormous value in live sports broadcasts, and the TT is in the minority for world class sporting events by not being shown live. With regards to fans filming their own footage and putting it on You-tube, you will find that this is in fact encouraged. Check out North Ones WRC channel on You-tube for more. One development that will be realised is lots more multimedia functionality available via the web for free to fans. With regards to the MGP and Southern 100, the DTL will be working with the organisers of both events to maximise all promotional opportunities for their events. Speaking personally I have had meetings with representatives from both events in the last day. A highlights DVD or similar will always depend on the market for such a product of course. I hope this clears up some of the questions, but no doubt there will be countless more. As I'm sure you can understand I'm not on line 24/7 so it's not always possible to provide instant answers to questions posted by TT fans. Best wishes Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Live television has been mentioned several times here. There was no requirement in the tender for essential live coverage, but as with any pitch for work you look for innovation. There is a possibility that a live broadcast may become a reality in the future, but it will be a professionally managed, time delay broadcast that will not compromise the reputation of the event. There is enormous value in live sports broadcasts, and the TT is in the minority for world class sporting events by not being shown live. I'm no expert but they are deluding themselves with ideas that live broadcast will enhance the viewing experience. The course is too big and it will bore the arse off the viewer trying to follow a live broadcast as you couldn't keep consistent interest over 37 miles and 20 odd minutes a lap. There are too many opportunities to make a cuppa and just forget what is happening and the number of crews you'd need to cover it properly would be very expensive. The TT is in the minority of world class sporting events not covered live directly because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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