Merkin Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I was having a great dane before reading this thread.... Now i'm terrier-fied! hee hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grianane Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Makes sense and would certainly put an end to the blight of dog poo, this I would support as it would put a stop to those morons who are quite happy to let their pets crap everywhere. We could apply the same principle to dicarded litter - a total dna database, chip and test every child at birth and we can nail them for chewing gum, sweet wrappers, cans and bottle left in the streets -- Hmn not sure about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grianane Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This is will be a brill idea but for the following problems: 1. DNA matching will only be as good as the DNA database, i.e. if a dog isn't in the database it won't get caught. 2. To solve problem 1 you would have to DNA test every dog on the island, current and future. 3. The cost/time involved in DNA testing every dog on the island (current and future) will be insane compared to the potential returns from fines. 4. And then there is the cost/time testing each poop found against the incomplete database compared to the potenetial returns from fines. TL:DR version: Wont be cost effective, wont be of any real investigative benefit and a waste of time. Better the Dog Wardens were actually seen out and about trying to catch owners letting their pets foul in public places. 1 & 2. Simple, just Chip the dog 3. Owners to pay the cost of having dog DNA tested and chipped. Timewise it should take minutes for a VET to insert a Chip, and take a DNA sample before sending off for testing 4. Minutes to do. Scoop, place in recpitacle, label, send off. But the whole point of this is that it is a deterrant. If you know that there is a 99.99% chance of getting caught you will make sure you clean up after your dog. If as at present there is probably a 00.01% chance of getting caught and only then because you have been dopey enough not to clean up when the dog warden is insight then people will. What about those who own unregistered dogs which aren't chipped? 4. Who is going to go around and pick up all the poo? Because I Danny Dog Warden isn't gonna be happy when his job description is changed to include picking his own body weight in dog poop every week. Who exactly is going to do the testing? Who is paying for the testing? Also, as others have mentioned in previous topics involving dog poo and DNA testing, whats to stop the system being abused? Don't like you neighbour who owns dogs? Simples, just pick some dog jobies from their back garden, sprinkle over a public footpath, concerned phone call to dog warden, one DNA test later and bam! disliked neighbour gets fined. DNA profile added to dog license costs, not a problem for responsible owner, the dna profile could replace the need to chip said animal. Poo test costs added to fine - simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Name : Bill Thomas Age : 46 Occupation : Chief Dog Shit Collector and Sampler Lifetime Ambition: .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 All well and good, but which Bio Tech company is gonna want to take on the years of back logged dog jobies? Someones gonna have to pick up the poop to test right? Who's gonna do that? I bet the £60,000 worth of enforcement officers aren't going to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 What about those who own unregistered dogs which aren't chipped? 4. Who is going to go around and pick up all the poo? Because I Danny Dog Warden isn't gonna be happy when his job description is changed to include picking his own body weight in dog poop every week. Who exactly is going to do the testing? Who is paying for the testing? Also, as others have mentioned in previous topics involving dog poo and DNA testing, whats to stop the system being abused? Don't like you neighbour who owns dogs? Simples, just pick some dog jobies from their back garden, sprinkle over a public footpath, concerned phone call to dog warden, one DNA test later and bam! disliked neighbour gets fined. Do you read the other posts in this topic. Chips are easy to read with an electronic scanner. Simply very now and again scan dogs around town. It takes seconds. No chip then impound the dog until owners pay up and at the same time Chip & DNA Dog wardens will have to do it. Not that messy as all they have to do have a small testing stick which they dip one end into the poo. Then drop into a little tube and close the lid. They is no requirements to pick handfulls off the floor! There are labs who already do the testing. Who will pay? The owners on the basis of if caught fine plus cost of test. However the aim is not for lots of testing the aim is that there is such a strong chance of getting caught everybody clears up after there dog. As for your example of a disgruntled neighbour, I would hope wardens would recognise the diference between dog poo left by a dog and that scattered by disguntled neighbours. I would also have an esculating tariff of fines so that first offence is cost of test only or first offence in 12 month period is test cost only so that those who genuinly did not see what their dog did cos they were distracted or because of disgruntled neighbours they would not be hit hard. However that is clutching at straws and trying to find reasons not to do something. There are also many ways that disgruntled neighbours could get you into trouble already by doing something similar. e.g. a bit of flytipping with a bit of your post included from your bins etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 CSI: Douglas..... Investigator: So science geek who dropped the jobie? Scientist: Well I was working on that double homicide... Investigator: MY GOD MAN!!! THERE IS A DOG OUT THERE SHITTING AND I WILL CATCH HIM OR I WILL HAND IN MY BADGE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 All well and good, but which Bio Tech company is gonna want to take on the years of back logged dog jobies? What back log? If you refer to the initial test that can be from hair, skin etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Chips are easy to read with an electronic scanner. Simply very now and again scan dogs around town. It takes seconds. No chip then impound the dog until owners pay up and at the same time Chip & DNA Maybe they should try that on some of the wayward rug rats some of you breeders have unleashed on society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 All well and good, but which Bio Tech company is gonna want to take on the years of back logged dog jobies? What back log? If you refer to the initial test that can be from hair, skin etc The back log of jobies that are currently laying on the streets and pathways. Or are they only going to test fresh ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 All well and good, but which Bio Tech company is gonna want to take on the years of back logged dog jobies? What back log? If you refer to the initial test that can be from hair, skin etc The back log of jobies that are currently laying on the streets and pathways. Or are they only going to test fresh ones? Basically fresh ones as it would be a new system wgich you would probably take a year to implement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Basically fresh ones as it would be a new system wgich you would probably take a year to implement So the Byelaw Task Force can waste £60,000 for another year rather than doing there jobs in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Basically fresh ones as it would be a new system wgich you would probably take a year to implement So the Byelaw Task Force can waste £60,000 for another year rather than doing there jobs in the first place. You really do not read the posts in the thread before replying do you. The officers can walk around all they want trying to catch people but they will have virtually zero success as whilst they are around owners will virtually always pick up. What you are presently expecting is like expecting traffic wardens only to be able to catch people for illegal parking if they catch them in the actual act of parking. If that was the case we would have loads of illegal parking but nobody ever caught as many would decide to park illegally except when they saw a traffic warden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Basically fresh ones as it would be a new system wgich you would probably take a year to implement So the Byelaw Task Force can waste £60,000 for another year rather than doing there jobs in the first place. You really do not read the posts in the thread before replying do you. The officers can walk around all they want trying to catch people but they will have virtually zero success as whilst they are around owners will virtually always pick up. What you are presently expecting is like expecting traffic wardens only to be able to catch people for illegal parking if they catch them in the actual act of parking. If that was the case we would have loads of illegal parking but nobody ever caught as many would decide to park illegally except when they saw a traffic warden Maybe if they did't walk around in bloody obvious day glow jackets then they would catch more people. More people caught = more fines = people will be more wary about letting their dog crap in the street. If you don't know whether that bloke down the road is the dog poop patrol or just some random passer by, are you going to chance it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I would hope wardens would recognise the diference between dog poo left by a dog and that scattered by disguntled neighbours. How ?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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