Amadeus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 http://www.manxradio.com/newsread.aspx?id=53875 So the £14k dog warden has achieved ZERO fines and instead of shoving a rocket up his backside, they now propose CSI Isle of Man. Someone's gone barking mad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terse Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 What a load of shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Works on the Island of Capri - Apparently they introduced it earlier this year. http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/apr/11/crackdown-on-dog-mess Place was clean as anything a couple of months ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Proving which dog the shit belongs to doesn't necessarily mean that it was that dog that left it there. That's like testing the DNA from the neck of an empty bottle which has been discarded in the street. I've seen kids pull bags of shit out of disposal bins, throw them at each other and over the road. Owners could do the responsible thing with their dog's shit and dispose of it in the bins provided for such waste. If the local authority can't keep the shit secure, they can hardly start DNA testing and pointing the finger at anyone or their dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I've seen kids pull bags of shit out of disposal bins, throw them at each other and over the road... snip Where on earth are you living, Stavros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoB Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I'm sure I've seen a report somewhere saying that the DNA database story was created to scare owners into clearing up the mess, but it was never actually real. I can't find the damn story to link too....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I don't know Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 With inconsiderate owners that wont pick up after the dog, how many can be bothered to have a dog licence. Performance related pay for the dog wardens, 50/50 split for them and the local authority on all fines they issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweek Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 These people need to wake up. There's sh1t all money left in the pot to spend on...er...sh1t like this. They still just don't seem to realise how bad things are gonna be here in the next few years financially. One island wide dog warden is all that is needed. But it has to be paid for. All he has to do is collect evidence, catch people and fine them £500/£1000 + court costs, and the problem will start to go away. Same for any copper, don't they enforce by-laws too if requested? Financial shock is the only realistic solution. But we have far bigger issues to worry about than all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavros Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Where on earth are you living, Stavros? Heh, my very own stalker, sweet! Addie, if you want a date, you only have to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 But we have far bigger issues to worry about than all this. There is enough shit being talked about in this thread without you starting!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 With inconsiderate owners that won’t pick up after the dog, how many can be bothered to have a dog licence. Performance related pay for the dog wardens, 50/50 split for them and the local authority on all fines they issue. Just chip any dog as it gets its license & DNA test. Any dog found without a chip then held until owner pays up etc etc Performance related pay won't work as the chances of catching anybody presently are very small. If 99 times out of a hundred an owner will not pick up you can be sure that if they see a dog warden around they wil do. It is like the poulation and speeding. Many of us exceed by various degrees a 30mph speed limit. If we know there is a cop there with a speed gun then we are very careful not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This is will be a brill idea but for the following problems: 1. DNA matching will only be as good as the DNA database, i.e. if a dog isn't in the database it won't get caught. 2. To solve problem 1 you would have to DNA test every dog on the island, current and future. 3. The cost/time involved in DNA testing every dog on the island (current and future) will be insane compared to the potential returns from fines. 4. And then there is the cost/time testing each poop found against the incomplete database compared to the potenetial returns from fines. TL:DR version: Wont be cost effective, wont be of any real investigative benefit and a waste of time. Better the Dog Wardens were actually seen out and about trying to catch owners letting their pets foul in public places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 All he has to do is collect evidence, catch people and fine them £500/£1000 + court costs, As before you have to catch them and presently the chances of catching anybody presently are very small. The owner has to be caught in the act and the chances are if they do not normally clean up if they see a dog warden around they wil do so. This should be a deterrent as once owners know they can be caught whether or not they are caught in the act just from the evidence left behind then chances are they will make sure they do not. Now unless you are caught in the act you will not be caught which is a bit like saying we can only catch criminals if they are actually caught in the act. As for the cost well it should be fairly cost neutral once up and running as owners should be made to pay for costs via dog licence etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This is will be a brill idea but for the following problems: 1. DNA matching will only be as good as the DNA database, i.e. if a dog isn't in the database it won't get caught. 2. To solve problem 1 you would have to DNA test every dog on the island, current and future. 3. The cost/time involved in DNA testing every dog on the island (current and future) will be insane compared to the potential returns from fines. 4. And then there is the cost/time testing each poop found against the incomplete database compared to the potenetial returns from fines. TL:DR version: Wont be cost effective, wont be of any real investigative benefit and a waste of time. Better the Dog Wardens were actually seen out and about trying to catch owners letting their pets foul in public places. 1 & 2. Simple, just Chip the dog 3. Owners to pay the cost of having dog DNA tested and chipped. Timewise it should take minutes for a VET to insert a Chip, and take a DNA sample before sending off for testing 4. Minutes to do. Scoop, place in recpitacle, label, send off. But the whole point of this is that it is a deterrant. If you know that there is a 99.99% chance of getting caught you will make sure you clean up after your dog. If as at present there is probably a 00.01% chance of getting caught and only then because you have been dopey enough not to clean up when the dog warden is insight then people will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilitantDogOwner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 This is will be a brill idea but for the following problems: 1. DNA matching will only be as good as the DNA database, i.e. if a dog isn't in the database it won't get caught. 2. To solve problem 1 you would have to DNA test every dog on the island, current and future. 3. The cost/time involved in DNA testing every dog on the island (current and future) will be insane compared to the potential returns from fines. 4. And then there is the cost/time testing each poop found against the incomplete database compared to the potenetial returns from fines. TL:DR version: Wont be cost effective, wont be of any real investigative benefit and a waste of time. Better the Dog Wardens were actually seen out and about trying to catch owners letting their pets foul in public places. 1 & 2. Simple, just Chip the dog 3. Owners to pay the cost of having dog DNA tested and chipped. Timewise it should take minutes for a VET to insert a Chip, and take a DNA sample before sending off for testing 4. Minutes to do. Scoop, place in recpitacle, label, send off. But the whole point of this is that it is a deterrant. If you know that there is a 99.99% chance of getting caught you will make sure you clean up after your dog. If as at present there is probably a 00.01% chance of getting caught and only then because you have been dopey enough not to clean up when the dog warden is insight then people will. What about those who own unregistered dogs which aren't chipped? 4. Who is going to go around and pick up all the poo? Because I Danny Dog Warden isn't gonna be happy when his job description is changed to include picking his own body weight in dog poop every week. Who exactly is going to do the testing? Who is paying for the testing? Also, as others have mentioned in previous topics involving dog poo and DNA testing, whats to stop the system being abused? Don't like you neighbour who owns dogs? Simples, just pick some dog jobies from their back garden, sprinkle over a public footpath, concerned phone call to dog warden, one DNA test later and bam! disliked neighbour gets fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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