Chinahand Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Spook: algebra, algorithm, alkaline, azimuth, amalgam, benzene etc etc all words when Muslims were leading the world in science mathematics, astronomy, architectue etc etc. At the same time Christians were behaving just like IS is now. Care to try to explain that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Spook: algebra, algorithm, alkaline, azimuth, amalgam, benzene etc etc all words when Muslims were leading the world in science mathematics, astronomy, architectue etc etc. At the same time Christians were behaving just like IS is now. Care to try to explain that? Maybe you should explain why your post isn't entirely accurate...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I suppose you could improve the accuracy by reading the book reviewed here http://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/oct/23/arabic-science-jim-alkhalili-review Jim Al'Kalili is a research scientist and head of the British Humanists - his account is nuanced but the reality is Muslim science dominated the world for 600 years and contributed greatly to the world. Why that open, enquiring culture was over taken by intolerant zealotry is a really important question of great relevance to today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Spook: algebra, algorithm, alkaline, azimuth, amalgam, benzene etc etc all words when Muslims were leading the world in science mathematics, astronomy, architectue etc etc. At the same time Christians were behaving just like IS is now. Care to try to explain that? You forgot to list warfare and weaponry. Arab armies conquered a land empire stretching from Spain in the west to India in the east and brought the science, mathematics engineering, art and culture of all the peoples they conquered under their thumb through forced conversions and religious domination. Within a couple of generations, it was to be expected that they would excel in all these fields, just as the Americans excelled in rocket engineering when they recruited German scientists or when western Europe took in Byzantine refugees after the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 (having been violently conquered by the Muslims you're so fond of) which then fueled the Renaissance in Europe. As for your comment about Christians, it's a generalisation and a wrong one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why can't people just realise that we are all just humans? There good humans and there are bad humans, I don't need a religious badge to tell me that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Actually all the things in that list with the possible exception of some trivial aspects of algebra have NOTHING WHAT SO EVER to do with Islam other than the people who developed them happened to be Muslims. Their beliefs simply were not a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Our family had a few battles with the Christians...f***ing noisy family with 5 kids that lived behind us. Always causing trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why can't people just realise that we are all just humans? There good humans and there are bad humans, I don't need a religious badge to tell me that. Because people like ISIS and Hamas don't care if you're human. They care if you're Muslim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Why can't people just realise that we are all just humans? There good humans and there are bad humans, I don't need a religious badge to tell me that. Because people like ISIS and Hamas don't care if you're human. They care if you're Muslim. That's kind of my point though. Would we have these problems if there was no religion. Sadly, I guess it would only be replaced by some other bullshit. Edited August 11, 2014 by mojomonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Just remind me how many Jews have won Nobel prizes as compared to how many Arabs have. Barack Obama and Henry Kissinger have won Nobel Peace prizes. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Our family had a few battles with the Christians...f***ing noisy family with 5 kids that lived behind us. Always causing trouble.Could have been us when the wife's nephew and niece stayed for a few days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's kind of my point though. Would we have these problems if there was no religion. Sadly, I guess it would only be replaced by some other bullshit. I think the problem is not religion but false or defective religion. You can make generalisations about all religion being bad or backward but as someone who has studied all the religions I think that is just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Thomas Jefferson - "someone who has studied all the religions". Ha ha ha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Thomas Jefferson - "someone who has studied all the religions". Ha ha ha Why's that so funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 But who can say which religion is false or defective? Surely to those practising said religion it is entirely valid and justified? Clearly some of these extreme Muslims are twats, but I'd say the same of extreme Christians. I go back to my original statement and ask why can't people see each other as humans? I no desire to kill my neighbour or tell them they are believing in a false and wrong god. Religion is just make believe bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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