spook Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 A panel consisting of three anti-Israel clowns. Yeh, that'll be fair and balanced... A United Nations panel to investigate both Palestinian and Israeli sides - sounds fair enough to anyone with nothing to hide........http://rt.com/news/181184-israel-hrw-amnesty-barred/ .http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/IGallery.aspx?GalleryID=343&Index=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 What irks me most about this conflict is the willingness of the IDF to blow the shit out of innocent Palestinians by the thousands "accidentally" while allegedly targeting Hamas militants. How can anyone defend slaughter on this scale? Granted, Hamas firing rockets on civilian targets is not right but amounts to little (how many civilians killed on the Israeli side?). The reaction by the IDF is disproportionate and massively counter-productive. Israel have gone in with a "if we kill everyone, we're bound to get the bad guy" approach. This is horrific and has caused enormous human loss and suffering. But some will still try to defend Israel and claim that anyone who doesn't turn a blind eye to this tragedy is engaging in "judenhass" - very trendy but an absolute lie. Hassholes The only way a solution will be found is by both sides talking to each other's elected representatives. The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line is so tiresome nowadays - what progress would have been made in the North of Ireland if the Brits had persisted with that little gem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^ Please don't reproduce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 What irks me most about this conflict is the willingness of the IDF to blow the shit out of innocent Palestinians by the thousands "accidentally" while allegedly targeting Hamas militants. How can anyone defend slaughter on this scale? Granted, Hamas firing rockets on civilian targets is not right but amounts to little (how many civilians killed on the Israeli side?). The reaction by the IDF is disproportionate and massively counter-productive. Israel have gone in with a "if we kill everyone, we're bound to get the bad guy" approach. This is horrific and has caused enormous human loss and suffering. But some will still try to defend Israel and claim that anyone who doesn't turn a blind eye to this tragedy is engaging in "judenhass" - very trendy but an absolute lie. Hassholes The only way a solution will be found is by both sides talking to each other's elected representatives. The "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line is so tiresome nowadays - what progress would have been made in the North of Ireland if the Brits had persisted with that little gem? The situation re Ulster and Eire is absolutly dissimilar to the situation in Israel. As for the actions being taken by Israel as not doing what they are being forced to do the alternative would be to allow a criminal bunch of terrorists to destroy the absolutly legitimate nation and state that is Israel . As for the absolute black hearted lie that there has been a 'kill them all' strategy, that sort of garbage really does make believe that you are troll-ing. No one with one iota of brain could possibly believe such demonstrable nonsense. And after having done that the question then becomes where next? Spain? Greece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^ Please don't reproduce. Good point. Wish I'd seen it before I replied to the putz. (Don't know what means but it feels appropriate.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Don't know what means That should be your signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^ Please don't reproduce. Which seems to be Israeli sentiment in respect to Gaza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreidel Dreidelsohn Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Putz can mean an idiot, a person who is all show, a tool, or a penis. In MarkH's case, it's the latter. Edited August 20, 2014 by Dreidel Dreidelsohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkH Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Perhaps if the "absolutely legitimate nation and state that is Israel"* chose not to bulldoze Palestinian farms and houses to make way for gun toting "settlers" and didn't engage in tactics reminiscent of the worst of the 20th century's tyrants they'd be less of a target for Hamas and less hated by Palestinians in general. Make no mistake, they are hated for what they do, not who they are - before you start waving the "victim" flag all over again. *Spook obviously feels the need to bang on about making this "assertion". Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^ Please don't reproduce. Putz can mean an idiot, a person who is all show, a tool, or a penis. In MarkH's case, it's the latter. Using two login names to slag someone off on the same page of the same thread. You're obviously confident that your argument is watertight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Putz can mean an idiot, a person who is all show, a tool, or a penis. In MarkH's case, it's the latter. As I understand it , it's not a word to be used lightly (when women or children are about ) , more offensive than schmuck, more polite to call someone a schmo (but every schmo knows where "schmo" is derived from! lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EORH Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 So Hamas has broken the truce again, so again, what does the world expect Israel to do?, but talking about TV channels being anti Israel, how about channel 4, they in one interview kept on about the people getting killed in Gaza, ignoring the Israeli representative questions on Hamas firing rockets into Israel trying to kill their citizens, all the channel 4 reporter could rabbit on about was why hit a UN school, he was told that Hamas positioned their rockets near the school, but he chose to ignore this. The thing that is forgotten is that Hamas have said they wish to wipe out the Israeli nation, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Much more than said. The hamas charter contains a sacred vow to achieve that and in a way that it can never be revoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Seeker Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Don't forget Israel helped to start Hamas. How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jefferson Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Don't forget Israel helped to start Hamas. How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847 I believe the article says "spawn", not "start". Israel did not create Hamas. The accusation in the article is that Israeli policies increased extremism in the area, which then facilitated the rise of Hamas. It's a ridiculous thesis. If anyone started Hamas, it's the Arab nations who've been funding and arming them since their creation. Edited August 21, 2014 by Thomas Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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