pongo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, woody2 said: privatise it, the same as the rest of the western europe, iomg are the only ones still to own a bus company.... That's not true. There are 11 publicly owned bus companies in the UK. And public ownership is the norm in mainland Europe. Privatisation has failed to deliver better services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bus_company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Declan said: In fact do Bus Vannin publish their profits/losses on a route by route, service by service basis. Do you know @Roger Mexico? I'm going to take a wild guess and say no. That information will be 'commercially confidential' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, pongo said: That's not true. There are 11 publicly owned bus companies in the UK. And public ownership is the norm in mainland Europe. Privatisation has failed to deliver better services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bus_company not one owned by the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, woody2 said: privatise it, the same as the rest of the western europe, iomg are the only ones still to own a bus company.... If that were to happen, and they didn't give kids and oaps reduced or free fares. Slashed the top heavy management and only operated the profitable routes. I doubt that I'd notice much change in my service or the cost. My belief is that the fare-paying passengers already reduce the cost of the service as a whole and contribute to the freebies as taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Profitable Routes: Route 1, 3, 4, 5 Couple of the skippers around Douglas Unprofitable Routes: Everything else. And that's only at certain times of the day too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 52 minutes ago, pongo said: Perhaps Woody has a share in a mini cab business. Or perhaps woody is just argumentative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, woody2 said: not one owned by the government All owned by local government which is a branch of government. On the IOM the government serves much of the role of a municipal or county authority. It's basically the council. Public ownership is the norm across all of Europe. 5 minutes ago, Tarne said: Unprofitable Routes: Everything else. It shouldn't even be about whether or not they are profitable. It should be about whether they provide a good service. Good public transport makes a place better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: 4? Actually it probably isn't profitable, looking at the route. Jesus wept the bus network is a state. Routes 1,3,5 are all that's needed for a core, everything else can be taxied to a bus point or ubered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, woody2 said: privatise it, the same as the rest of the western europe, iomg are the only ones still to own a bus company.... LOL, woodyfact No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarne Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, pongo said: It shouldn't even be about whether or not they are profitable. It should be about whether they provide a good service. Good public transport makes a place better. Great thinking, using that logic we should get rid of the buses completely here then, because it's shit public transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, Tarne said: Great thinking, using that logic we should get rid of the buses completely here then, because it's shit public transport. I find them good. But there are not enough of them. Especially at night. So the conversation should really be about how money can be made available in order to improve and expand the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, pongo said: All owned by local government which is a branch of government. On the IOM the government serves much of the role of a municipal or county authority. It's basically the council. Public ownership is the norm across all of Europe. It shouldn't even be about whether or not they are profitable. It should be about whether they provide a good service. Good public transport makes a place better. so not the government never mentioned local councils...... anyway iomg is more of a parish council Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I don't find the buses shit, although I live down south which is mostly well served. I'd love to be able to go to Peel for a few pints on a Friday night in the summer without having to spend 4 hours on a bus though, so it could be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, pongo said: I find them good. But there are not enough of them. Especially at night. So the conversation should really be about how money can be made available in order to improve and expand the service. are the bus cleaners still on £52k a year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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