woody2 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 14 hours ago, wrighty said: Your consultant pay scale is wrong - on the IOM it goes higher just like the junior doctor scam when the union claimed that they had been getting close to nmw..... yet the nhs figures showed the average was £80k a year with some on £250k a year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Anything below consultant could be termed a junior doctor but I'd like to see the source of your data and exactly what you mean by 'the junior doctor scam'. Until you can it remains another woodyfact. (Now expects a five word answer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Since 2009, the Isle of man has donated over £2million pounds each year to various international charities. That's a fair wedge but can we afford such largesse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, quilp said: Since 2009, the Isle of man has donated over £2million pounds each year to various international charities. That's a fair wedge but can we afford such largesse? Less than a third of what we donate to local landowners. Which is largesse that we can afford, apparently. Mind, at least it's staying on-island. Theoretically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: Anything below consultant could be termed a junior doctor but I'd like to see the source of your data and exactly what you mean by 'the junior doctor scam'. I believe our (the Island's) overuse of the word Consultant is an issue leading to elevated salaries. We are a small town. With a small catchment. I'm not sure we have any "Consultants". AKA Specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Quote We are a small town. With a small catchment. I'm not sure we have any "Consultants". AKA Specialist. We are indeed a small town but without immediate access to another hospital due to our location. I think the perceived comparison is therefore imperfect. However, I would agree that if we had the full range of Consultants that you might find in a bigger town/city, some might be underworked due to the limited catchment. Would you not call a (for example) Consultant Orthopaedic Surgeon a Specialist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: Anything below consultant could be termed a junior doctor but I'd like to see the source of your data and exactly what you mean by 'the junior doctor scam'. Until you can it remains another woodyfact. (Now expects a five word answer) google it you fat twonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 There's no need for the charm offensive however well dodged. But hey, you did it in 5 words.... I could spend all week googling stuff to try and match some of the woodyfacts that appear on here and never match anything. PS my BMI < 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannin1 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 pSorry CM we are NOT prepared to pay for Healthcare, we have paid already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Perception and reality are not always synonyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, ballaughbiker said: We are indeed a small town but without immediate access to another hospital due to our location. I think the perceived comparison is therefore imperfect. However, I would agree that if we had the full range of Consultants that you might find in a bigger town/city, some might be underworked due to the limited catchment. Would you not call a (for example) Consultant Orthopaedic Surgeon a Specialist? No I wouldn't. From our perspective, the Ortho Specialists are in Aintree. Which is fine. I see your point about our location. And definitely with regard to acute surgery. But I'm struggling to see why I should settle for a more general surgeon having a bash with procedure XYZ when there are centres in the UK with surgeons doing XYZ day in, day out. And it has to be cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Fair point Mr S. I remember we had a bit of bother with that a year or two back. Having now met a local surgeon I thought had rather general experience, I admit I did a runner (a few years back) to Sheffield for the procedure. I had been on the waiting list for well over a year before I met this fella and decided post-consultation there was a better place to get sorted. What was remarkable was the speed of arrival of the 'I no longer have responsibility for your care' letter. It arrived the very next day which I thought was impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 My own (extremely poor) experience with local surgeons is too small a sample size to count for anything. However, anecdotally, I've heard other medical workers (nurses, GPs, secretaries, directors) complain about the egos of certain surgeons who won't accept their own limitations and refuse to pass procedures up the food chain. Why would you when you have a salary/pension to justify? In an attempt to stay on topic, if all non-acute surgery were out-sourced to the UK, how much would be saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: Anything below consultant could be termed a junior doctor Not right I’m afraid. Junior doctor is synonymous with ‘Doctor in training’ - these are doctors working their apprenticeship to become independent practitioners - GPs or consultants. There are plenty of doctors who are neither consultants, GPs, nor in training. Some of them work alongside consultants and are very senior. Some work at intermediate or junior levels in the hierarchy. They have titles such as Associate Specialist, Staff Grade, Specialty Doctor etc. Many of them are anything but ‘junior’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentience Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, mannin1 said: pSorry CM we are NOT prepared to pay for Healthcare, we have paid already. Yup "We already do" What an absolute let down this current administration has turned out to be.....almost to a man, with only one or two exceptions. Come back PK, YOUR Island needs you. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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