John Wright Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, pongo said: It’s you very obviously missing the point. These shows are not just about the music. They’re about the spectacle and the event. It’s a form of theatre. And it’s about people joining together. Totally, whether interpretation for a concert, play, musical or audio description of tv, theatre, or sports events for the visually impaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 A postive outcome of a few cases like this could be that it forces the entertainment industry to come up with an acceptable technical solution. As I wrote above, there is no reason why subtitles and context for stuff like this which is so rigourously rehearesed could not be done by computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Subtitles aren’t really an adequate answer. Many deaf people brought up using BSL have very poor English reading and writing skills. It’s a totally different language, with few of the eccentricities and multiple meanings of standard English. In addition sign interpretation is not just the words, it’s the beat, the volume and mood, conveyed by body language and facial expression and movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 A karaoke app for android would solve most of these hassles. Wahat time does the patent office open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, pongo said: Just submit the lyrics in some agreed text format have have them sent to a display trigged by whatever sequences the pre programmed stuff. It could all be done by computer. Very little of this pop rubbish is spontaneous - whether it’s Twisted Sister, Little Mix or Cold Play. They’re all equally stupid anyhow and even the spontaneous stuff is cynically planned out in advance. It’s all just theatre. Pantomime mostly. Isn't that just Karaoke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Yep, world's gone bat shit crazy. What next then ? Do we ask all the foreigners over here to speak English so we are not excluded while earwigging there conversations ? Do we ask that Manx Radio provide written text for the news video items ? Should every CD or video come with multiple language versions ? Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 we build a lot of disabled platforms at festivals and gigs that hardly get used, most acts use video content as part of the show, so using the screens for anything else is not possible..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, John Wright said: You clearly don’t understand “deaf”, and that it can encompass anything from some hearing loss, through severe tinnitus to total deafness. she may well hear some of the audible sound spectrum and certainly feel vibrations. Sorry you’re so bigoted and exclusionist. She did say on the TV that she could hear some stuff and 'feel' the music. In the future, can we look forward to a braille format for MF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, pongo said: It’s you very obviously missing the point. These shows are not just about the music. They’re about the spectacle and the event. It’s a form of theatre. And it’s about people joining together. No. I've attended enough concerts of all types in my time to know that it is indeed about the music, or predominantly so. Certainly at least 90% about the music. Who would bother going if there was no music? As I've said, if you want to go along and drink in the atmosphere of "the spectacle and the event" without being able to hear the music, all well and good. No objection if that moves you, but don't expect a commercial organisation to deviate from its mainstream business in a sham attempt to give you what nature has deprived you of. This is merely a recognition of reality the denial of which brings the law into disrepute. If that makes me bigoted then I'll wear it with honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 hours ago, woolley said: Missing the elephant as usual. Nobody is excluding her from hearing the music because the premise doesn't arise. She is excluded by definition because she is deaf. She is not capable of hearing music. The law is an ass for compelling the show promoter to organise some non-musical, non-audible pantomime so that a deaf person can pretend that she can hear music. It is pointless but typical of the empty gesturing of the PC psyche that clearly has legislators in its thrall. As usual, a "tone deaf" response from woolster and the usual sycophants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 10 hours ago, quilp said: She did say on the TV that she could hear some stuff and 'feel' the music. In the future, can we look forward to a braille format for MF? The way MF (or at least the forum software they provide) complies with making this available for unsighted people is to make it compatible with the text to speech applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Declan said: The way MF (or at least the forum software they provide) complies with making this available for sighted people is to make it compatible with the text to speech applications. Perhaps reread your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, John Wright said: Perhaps reread your post? Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, Declan said: Grow up. Don’t you mean visually impaired, not sighted? Yes MF is text to speech enabled and there is software and hardware that allows text to Brail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Don’t you mean visually impaired, not sighted? Yes MF is text to speech enabled and there is software and hardware that allows text to Brazil. Brazil? Perhaps reread your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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