Max Power Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 7:47 AM, 2bees said: But it’s against the law... How is it legal for people to own stocks and shares in the likes of GWP and PMCB, especially PMCB? The cops need to get themselves over to Nevada those pesky people have got a 17million $ grow going on. Pointless and wasteful. Did they ever catch the B&Q thief? Or find the Mayoress’s chain? Or find the person who sold that man the box of cocaine? Or the person who sold that other lad the tenner bag of smack that killed him? Did they? No, because they were too busy pissing around with pot heads - bah! Drug deaths don't seem to be investigated to the full extent that they maybe should? It would seem that the investigation ends with the probable cause being a bad reaction to a particular drug whereas the criminality of those who manufactured the drug is never investigated. I'm convinced that there are people out there who get a kick out of killing recreational drug users, whether they are just youngsters taking the odd ecstacy tablet or hardened heroin users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, Max Power said: Drug deaths don't seem to be investigated to the full extent that they maybe should? It would seem that the investigation ends with the probable cause being a bad reaction to a particular drug whereas the criminality of those who manufactured the drug is never investigated. I'm convinced that there are people out there who get a kick out of killing recreational drug users, whether they are just youngsters taking the odd ecstacy tablet or hardened heroin users. BUT the drug being discussed here has never EVER killed anyone, yup zero deaths from cannabis,I wonder how many tramadol has killed?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, twinkle said: BUT the drug being discussed here has never EVER killed anyone, yup zero deaths from cannabis,I wonder how many tramadol has killed?. I know, I was replying to 2bees comment which points out the general police attitude to drugs and those who use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 The MHKs, and indeed the police, rely on the Deemsters for their opinions as if they were Gods. There's not much going to move in the way of drugs laws on this Island when you have a First Deemster who has proclaimed to a defendant: "keep away from people involved in drugs. They are violent, dangerous and evil people" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yootalkin2me Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, hissingsid said: The Minister of Health is looking into making cannabis legal. That is a step forward. It shouldn't be made legal, it should be that prohibition ends. We originally had the freedom to grow and use, the government stepped in and made it illegal ergo starting cannabis prohibition, the masses were brainwashed into thinking the government had saved the masses through propagandist white like 'Reefer Madness' and now they're brainwashing again by allowing legalisation via regulation so that large corporations can monopolize with high prices and pesticide ridden products. I will only be happy when the prohibition ends, not legalisation....and I don't even smoke the stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bear Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Some of my technically inclined friends have been involved in the control systems of cannabis farms in places where they are legal. It's very clear that it's a very competitive market where the established drug importers have been undercutting the new local growers to push them out of business. There are a lot of costs involved in growing the stuff. If the IOM does ever legalise it then it might be worth establishing protection for on-island growers to avoid the island being flooded with imported material of unknown standards and from organisations that might also ship in their other more undesirable drug products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yootalkin2me Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr Bear said: Some of my technically inclined friends have been involved in the control systems of cannabis farms in places where they are legal. It's very clear that it's a very competitive market where the established drug importers have been undercutting the new local growers to push them out of business. There are a lot of costs involved in growing the stuff. If the IOM does ever legalise it then it might be worth establishing protection for on-island growers to avoid the island being flooded with imported material of unknown standards and from organisations that might also ship in their other more undesirable drug products. End prohibition so that people who want it can grow their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr Bear said: Some of my technically inclined friends have been involved in the control systems of cannabis farms in places where they are legal. It's very clear that it's a very competitive market where the established drug importers have been undercutting the new local growers to push them out of business. There are a lot of costs involved in growing the stuff. If the IOM does ever legalise it then it might be worth establishing protection for on-island growers to avoid the island being flooded with imported material of unknown standards and from organisations that might also ship in their other more undesirable drug products. So you would have the Police spending time and money tracking down illegally imported cannabis. Same as they do now, so that argument is blown eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 If there were government-licensed outlets, legally selling a locally-grown, quality assured weed, at sensible prices, not many customers would be scurrying in and out of some dodgy gaff in some town. Not when they had the choice to be supplied in a controlled environment, confident the product was of an assured quality. Those wanting a stronger/weaker smoke could choose from the many hundreds of varieties and strengths, from sales people well-versed in what's on offer. The illegal dealers could very easily be priced out of the market if the sensible approach was adopted. Make no mistake dilligaf, there are thousands of people on this small Island who readily pay for adulterated poor quality hash and weed. Full of chemicals, unidentifiable vegetable matter and many other nasties, these products are harmful in their own right and carry other medical risks, especially when it comes to the powders and pills consumed every weekend. The Class 'A' market can be very hit and miss but that group of drugs is another story. Those partaking in smoking cannabis are not intimidated by the law; it is not a deterrent and invariably, even if convicted, they'll carry on. The Isle of Man is quite unique in that most drug-users, including drinkers, are in employment and spend a good deal of their money on their affectation and aren't going to go away. Neither is the potential for a taxable product. It's just a question of lateral thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkle Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, gettafa said: The MHKs, and indeed the police, rely on the Deemsters for their opinions as if they were Gods. There's not much going to move in the way of drugs laws on this Island when you have a First Deemster who has proclaimed to a defendant: "keep away from people involved in drugs. They are violent, dangerous and evil people" Does the Deemster know what his two lads get up to at uni?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 More to the point, does he know what his underling brother advocates are up to? Maybe he should ask the whole of Athol Street etc to do a drugs test on a random Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, gettafa said: More to the point, does he know what his underling brother advocates are up to? Maybe he should ask the whole of Athol Street etc to do a drugs test on a random Monday morning. Why, the police would be suddenly far too busy to be bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, quilp said: If there were government-licensed outlets, legally selling a locally-grown, quality assured weed, at sensible prices, not many customers would be scurrying in and out of some dodgy gaff in some town. Not when they had the choice to be supplied in a controlled environment, confident the product was of an assured quality. Those wanting a stronger/weaker smoke could choose from the many hundreds of varieties and strengths, from sales people well-versed in what's on offer. The illegal dealers could very easily be priced out of the market if the sensible approach was adopted. Make no mistake dilligaf, there are thousands of people on this small Island who readily pay for adulterated poor quality hash and weed. Full of chemicals, unidentifiable vegetable matter and many other nasties, these products are harmful in their own right and carry other medical risks, especially when it comes to the powders and pills consumed every weekend. The Class 'A' market can be very hit and miss but that group of drugs is another story. Those partaking in smoking cannabis are not intimidated by the law; it is not a deterrent and invariably, even if convicted, they'll carry on. The Isle of Man is quite unique in that most drug-users, including drinkers, are in employment and spend a good deal of their money on their affectation and aren't going to go away. Neither is the potential for a taxable product. It's just a question of lateral thinking... Persuasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 11 hours ago, quilp said: If there were government-licensed outlets, legally selling a locally-grown, quality assured weed, at sensible prices, not many customers would be scurrying in and out of some dodgy gaff in some town. Not when they had the choice to be supplied in a controlled environment, confident the product was of an assured quality. Those wanting a stronger/weaker smoke could choose from the many hundreds of varieties and strengths, from sales people well-versed in what's on offer. The illegal dealers could very easily be priced out of the market if the sensible approach was adopted. when has this government ever involved itself in something and the costs are considered 'sensible' ? everything thing they have a hand on is going up in price to cover their incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homarus Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/9/2018 at 4:28 PM, gettafa said: Well, from drugs to pit bull terriers. That was a quick thread diversion. Just what drugs and pit bull terriers have got to do with each other I don't know. Anyway, it looks that Champ achieved a number of his own threads, this the main one: click. And there was a saintly looking Champ as a member on the forums who woofed and grrowled his way through various threads. Phil Gawne and DEFA's finest hour ! look at that cute little face ,poor little bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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