'Smooth transition for trade' between IOM and UK

[Derek Flint]

1 hour ago, woody2 said:

it was 302/263........

Noes 

• Green Party (1) ▼
• Independent (3) ▼
• Labour (217) ▼
• Liberal Democrat (10) ▼
• Plaid Cymru (3) ▼
• Scottish National Party (29)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2019-01-22/division/5F28DE03-782E-4D82-8EDD-BBCA40717356/BusinessWithoutDebate?outputType=Names

 

 

Easy enough to do a threat assessment based on the next UK general election then....

[gettafa]

It was a simple Gov -v- everyone else vote.

As simple as it gets and in this particular case as unimportant and run of the mill as Westminster business can be.

Is this what our guys have achieved for all these trips to Westminster? Because they could have achieved as much by sitting at home playing Candy Crush on the 'puter.

 

 

[woody2]

can't be bother to check but most have policies on tax havens........certainly labour do.......

[Roger Mexico]

4 hours ago, gettafa said:

It was a simple Gov -v- everyone else vote.

As simple as it gets and in this particular case as unimportant and run of the mill as Westminster business can be.

Is this what our guys have achieved for all these trips to Westminster? Because they could have achieved as much by sitting at home playing Candy Crush on the 'puter.

Normally it's the sort of thing that would go through without opposition (it's basically just to enable the current situation to continue) but the Opposition Parties at Westminster want to show that they are trying to fight Brexit and there's also the point that they want all legislation to have more scrutiny than is happening with Brexit (which is fair enough when consider that the UK Government just sat around doing nothing for two years and is now trying to rush things through).  That's why there could be no debate when it came before the full House of Commons, but there was still a vote - and one for each Crown Dependency.  Of course the quaint way that the House of Commons does its voting[1] means that each division takes a quarter of an hour or so, so it's also a way of annoying the Government MPs and keeping them away from their dinner/mistress/dominatrix or whatever.

What debate there was came at a sort of scrutiny committee and mainly illustrated that neither side knew what they were talking about (about the Channel Islands not being in the same situation re VAT for example).  As to what Quayle and co were doing on their awaydays - who knows?  Given that no one knows what is going to happen over Brexit and how the UK Government will respond (and they seem even more in the dark than anyone else), it's difficult to see why they needed to faff around in London rather than back home.  Presumably they feel the need to be seen to be doing something - even if they aren't.

[1]  Though arguably it's just as quaint for Tynwald to have electronic voting when there's so few of them.  Presumably it was assumed that counting up to 24 would be beyond the usual Manx politician's skillset. 

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, MrPB said:

Is there a new VAT share agreement around this deal? 

No, not according to a press release the UK put out last November:

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In the case of the Isle of Man — where there is an existing agreement covering customs, VAT and excise matters —modifications have been made to the customs aspects of the agreement but existing arrangements for VAT and excise-related issues remain unchanged.

Oddly enough the Manx announcement is less forthcoming, though it does include (unlike the UK) a clarification of the position of the Channel Islands:

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An important difference in the new Arrangement is that the Channel Islands will become part of the customs union arrangements, creating a United Kingdom and Crown Dependencies Customs Union. 

This means that goods will be able to move freely between the Isle of Man, UK and the Channel Islands for customs purposes only. However, the Channel Islands will not be entering into arrangements for the sharing of customs duties, VAT and excise duties.

which makes me wonder if they've just copied something put out in Jersey or wherever.

[Non-Believer]

28 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

No, not according to a press release the UK put out last November:

Oddly enough the Manx announcement is less forthcoming, though it does include (unlike the UK) a clarification of the position of the Channel Islands:

which makes me wonder if they've just copied something put out in Jersey or wherever.

Maybe that's why it took 9 of them (plus entourage) to go down and check it out.

[asitis]

The comments section on here speak volumes about how the public value the contributions of our elected !

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=45333&headline=Worried about Brexit%3F Talk to us&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

 

 

[Andy Onchan]

There will be no smooth transition via UK, we will crash out unless and/or until EU start being realistic.

If i were May I wouldn't bother getting on a flight. Send the 27 leaders (exclude the EU Sir Humphries) an email and tell them that the ball is in their court and prepare for a no deal exit. Then wait and see what happens.

[Lxxx]

21 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

There will be no smooth transition via UK, we will crash out unless and/or until EU start being realistic.

If i were May I wouldn't bother getting on a flight. Send the 27 leaders (exclude the EU Sir Humphries) an email and tell them that the ball is in their court and prepare for a no deal exit. Then wait and see what happens.

That's what you'd do if you were serious about a no deal exit. The reality is somewhat different.  

[Andy Onchan]

5 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

That's what you'd do if you were serious about a no deal exit. The reality is somewhat different.  

Why do you think May is not keen on having a binding no deal amendment? It's time call the EU's bluff.

If not, we'll crash out. The Tory party will disintegrate and there'll be a hung parliament with a resurgence of the LimpDems.

[Lxxx]

5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Why do you think May is not keen on having a binding no deal amendment? It's time call the EU's bluff.

If not, we'll crash out. The Tory party will disintegrate and there'll be a hung parliament with a resurgence of the LimpDems.

She's a career politician. There will always be a job for her within the political establishment if she plays the game. See Tony Blair. She's not bothered about what comes after her.

She didn't want Brexit, she doesn't want to deliver Brexit but she's found herself backed into a corner by her own party. We should sideline her, deliver a Brexit on our terms or crash out. It's only the vast majority of the planet that trade on WTO terms, not like we'll be on our own. The powerful German car industry will be knocking down the door as we speak to get something sorted.

The EU really aren't in the position of power they like to pretend they are, within their own echo chamber in Brussels.

[gettafa]

And amongst all this we have the Isle of Man representatives

Subservient and sycophantic as can possibly be.

Stunned like frightened rabbits in the headlights.

Crawling to Westminster begging not to be forgotten.

 

[jaybs]

The problem with Brexit is mainly down to opposition benches, and retired MP's having secret meetings with The EU, perhaps making them promises which they had no right or power to, that made the UK's negotiations weak from the very start!  the EU unelected bureaucrats feel they can dictate, no way should the UK accept that in any way!

[Ham_N_Eggs]

49 minutes ago, jaybs said:

The problem with Brexit is mainly down to opposition benches, and retired MP's having secret meetings with The EU, perhaps making them promises which they had no right or power to, that made the UK's negotiations weak from the very start!  the EU unelected bureaucrats feel they can dictate, no way should the UK accept that in any way!

That's right the problem is all down to the EU and the Labour party nothing at all to do with the Tories and their immovable red lines and their inept negotiating ability. It's all definitely someone else's fault... You should most definitely keep voting Tory because everything that has gone wrong in the last decade is not their fault they'll turn it round next time.

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, gettafa said:

And amongst all this we have the Isle of Man representatives

Subservient and sycophantic as can possibly be.

Stunned like frightened rabbits in the headlights.

Crawling to Westminster begging not to be forgotten.

 

Not at all. Laurence stands proud and confidently tells local businesses that they should come forward and have all their Brexit concerns soothed by DfE.

Worrying.