x-in-man Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 That is not an ANPR camera. They should have made a 'camera' out of an old tissue box with sticky back plastic and it would have been more convincing. A few questions need to be answered. Why is the data being captured by DoI workerss and not the Police? How long will the data be kept - number plate, time, location etc? How secure is the data? How secure is the collection of data and how is it protected from viewing by people who have no need to view it? By data, I mean pictures of the car, possibly it's driver and passenger, location, direction of travel Just after TT you won't see it again until the FOMS - where the same shit will be paraded on Farcebook to make it look like they are doing something. Cheap attempt at trying to look like tax payers money is being well spent - when it's still just being pissed up a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: So it is still eventually directed towards road network upkeep....? No. Its not hypothecated. It just gets swallowed up in general taxation. aVED VED and other taxes associated with transport amount to about five times MORE than is spent on the road network over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, x-in-man said: That is not an ANPR camera. They should have made a 'camera' out of an old tissue box with sticky back plastic and it would have been more convincing. A few questions need to be answered. Why is the data being captured by DoI workerss and not the Police? How long will the data be kept - number plate, time, location etc? How secure is the data? How secure is the collection of data and how is it protected from viewing by people who have no need to view it? By data, I mean pictures of the car, possibly it's driver and passenger, location, direction of travel Just after TT you won't see it again until the FOMS - where the same shit will be paraded on Farcebook to make it look like they are doing something. Cheap attempt at trying to look like tax payers money is being well spent - when it's still just being pissed up a wall. They'll be taking pictures of registration numbers. Then they'll take the pictures back to a bank of 200 civil servants who'll check the numbers out against their boxes and boxes of paper records to make sure that the road tax is up to date. Cos we don't like change here. All in the name of job justification. Hang the expense or worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, x-in-man said: That is not an ANPR camera. They should have made a 'camera' out of an old tissue box with sticky back plastic and it would have been more convincing. Are you sure? 2 minutes ago, x-in-man said: .A few questions need to be answered. 1. Why is the data being captured by DoI workerss and not the Police? 2. How long will the data be kept - number plate, time, location etc? 3. How secure is the data? 4. How secure is the collection of data and how is it protected from viewing by people who have no need to view it? 5. By data, I mean pictures of the car, possibly it's driver and passenger, location, direction of travel 6. Just after TT you won't see it again until the FOMS - where the same shit will be paraded on Farcebook to make it look like they are doing something. 7. Cheap attempt at trying to look like tax payers money is being well spent - when it's still just being pissed up a wall. 1. Who administer Car Tax, VED or Road Tax? DoI. 2. I would hope it was deleted as soon as it was established that the car was taxed, or kept until prosecution/fixed penalty was resolved if not taxed. That would be GDPR compliant. 3. Hopefully as secure as the licensing/vehicle tax data base. 4. It should be automated. So that all that comes up is a letter addressed to the registered keeper with fixed penalty. With no human intervention. 5. These should only be kept and looked at in case of dispute. 6. Why. Are you suggesting it’s to catch English/UK cars? What power does IoM have to access their data base and what powers do IoM Courts have to fine. Anyway UK cars will have passed many APNR cameras to get to the ferry. 7. It’s a trial run to move away from paper tax discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Amadeus said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/roadside-cameras-launched-to-catch-road-tax-dodgers/ Not liking the idea of ANPR cameras over here. Privacy comes before making the government's job easier and these things simply assume everyone is guilty unless proven otherwise. How are they going to prevent misuse of the data as has happened elsewhere? I’d love to see the cost/benefit analysis on this one. Probably nudging half a million to catch 10 people driving without a tax disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Are you sure? Yep - 1. Who administer Car Tax, VED or Road Tax? DoI. It's a tax, it goes to the Government - so you are robbing the treasury. 2. I would hope it was deleted as soon as it was established that the car was taxed, or kept until prosecution/fixed penalty was resolved if not taxed. That would be GDPR compliant. You would hope - but what is the official line? 3. Hopefully as secure as the licensing/vehicle tax data base. You would hope - but what is the official line? 4. It should be automated. So that all that comes up is a letter addressed to the registered keeper with fixed penalty. With no human intervention. You would hope - but what is the official line? 5. These should only be kept and looked at in case of dispute. You would hope - but ... oh sod it - you get the general idea 6. Why. Are you suggesting it’s to catch English/UK cars? What power does IoM have to access their data base and what powers do IoM Courts have to fine. Anyway UK cars will have passed many APNR cameras to get to the ferry. It won' catch anything, it's just a ploy to try to remove some people from the roads during the busy TT period. 7. It’s a trial run to move away from paper tax discs. Are you sure? It'll just be a cash raising camera if they ever have a system here. My plates still fail to be recorded by ANPR readers in car parks in the UK. In the last 3 years I have never paid to park in an ANPR controlled parking area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, x-in-man said: My plates still fail to be recorded by ANPR readers in car parks in the UK. In the last 3 years I have never paid to park in an ANPR controlled parking area. 1. It’ll still go to Treasury. 2. 3. 4. 5. I share your concerns. 6. Why do you say it won’t catch anything? 7. Ditto, and on Runcorn Bridge. But U.K. cameras aren’t set up to detect/read Manx plates, especially with the dashes. Hopefully a system for IoM will be. And private operators don’t appear to be given our details due to Data Protection. The police ANPR recognise Manx Plates for the MIB Insurance database, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Gizo said: It’s not a road tax. Don't mention that, it scuppers the anti cyclist ranters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Several ANPR vehicles on this evening's Manannin sailing along with the usual plethora of UK police vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, x-in-man said: My plates still fail to be recorded by ANPR readers in car parks in the UK. In the last 3 years I have never paid to park in an ANPR controlled parking area. What St Paul’s sq Ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, finlo said: Several ANPR vehicles on this evening's Manannin sailing along with the usual plethora of UK police vehicles. There’s a revolt now at Amazon from customers as they’re now selling their own developed face recognition system to police forces all over the world. It won’t be long before everything is scanned and logged so that they can extract their pound of flesh from you and/or punish you for any minor transgression you might commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, x-in-man said: My plates still fail to be recorded by ANPR readers in car parks in the UK. In the last 3 years I have never paid to park in an ANPR controlled parking area. The only car parks with ANPR cameras that I've seen are private or privately administrated car parks such as the case with supermarkets and in any case Manx number plates are probably not on the UK DVLC database. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dilligaf said: What St Paul’s sq Ramsey That's an easy one to get out of without paying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 They don't need to be - you drive in. it reads the plate. You go shopping , return, type your number in ... no record found every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, finlo said: That's an easy one to get out of without paying! Does it not clock your reg and say so on your entrance ticket that yoga need to get out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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