Rushen Spy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Kopek said: However, if Kate had allowed a two way fight, we may have had Cannan as a one term CM., giving even the most forelock tiugging MHks time to see what he was really like, a neo facist anti socialist anti working class, under class? let them eat cake type of leader??? What you're saying is complete bollocks of course. In reality, Cannan has presided over very progressive, worker-friendly tax and budgetary reforms. The working class are paying less tax and receiving more in the way of spending/funding aimed at helping working families. How you think this is "anti working class" is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Prove it I'd have to sit down and do all the calculations yet again. Maybe tomorrow as I can't be arsed right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 You're a complete fraud TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: You're a complete fraud What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 15 hours ago, woolley said: Just my own unscientific guess based on perfromance and perceived constituency support. Obviously it all depends a great deal on who stands against them: Arbory, Castletown and Malew Hon Graham Derek CREGEEN Esq MHK OUT Jason Robert MOORHOUSE MHK OUT Ayre and Michael Timothy Simon BAKER MHK OUT Hon Alfred Louis CANNAN Esq MHK IN Douglas Central Catherine Ann CORLETT MHK OUT (fair personal following last time but for what?) Hon Christopher Charles THOMAS Esq MHK IN Douglas East Clare Louise BETTISON MHK OUT Christopher Roy ROBERTSHAW Esq MHK Deputy Speaker of the House of Keys OUT Douglas North Hon David John ASHFORD MHK IN George Ralph PEAKE Esq MHK OUT Douglas South Kathleen Joan BEECROFT MHK OUT Hon William Mackay MALARKEY Esq MHK OUT Garff Daphne Hilary Penelope CAINE MHK OUT Martyn John PERKINS MHK IN Glenfaba and Peel Hon Geoffrey George BOOT Esq MHK OUT Hon Ray Karl HARMER Esq MHK IN Middle Hon Robert Howard QUAYLE Esq MHK IN (Close run thing if Paul Craine stands again. Craine would be an asset.) William Catto SHIMMINS MHK IN Onchan Rob Edward CALLISTER MHK IN (For services to literature if nothing else). Julie Marie EDGE MHK OUT Ramsey Alexander John ALLINSON MHK IN Lawrie Lee HOOPER MHK OUT Rushen Hon Laurence David SKELLY MHK OUT The Hon Juan Paul WATTERSON BA FCA CMgr FCMI SHK Speaker of the House of Keys IN As you say the important thing is always who stands against them - a more extensive field in Peel /Glenfaba would have produced a different result last time I suspect. That said I think neither Beecroft or Malarkey will stand next time for health reasons, possibly even standing down before 2021. Robertshaw would be unlikely to go on as well. Amadeus said on another thread he was disconcerted by the contempt with which Quayle was mentioned by Establishment types - far worse than any previous CM. I've been struck by the same thing and would add some other Ministers as well including Harmer and Boot. All these plus Skelly and Cregeen must be vulnerable. Ashford should be OK, but the DHSC brief has reinforced his reputation as a rather ineffectual Yes-man and dedicated, long-term granny-farming doesn't work if your Department manages to kill off most of your flock. There are a whole range of MHKs who seem to get in on the "Vote for me I'm a nice person and know lots of you" ticket, but you can't otherwise see what they are there for. Perkins is the most egregious example, but the same applies to Corlett, Shimmins and Peake. Moorhouse seems fairly clueless, even by the standards of recent Castletown politicians. It's possible they do a lot in their constituencies, but an outsider doesn't see much evidence. People may be expecting a bit more than that in future. Baker seems to be a bit more pro-active and may be safer than you think (and perhaps Cannan less so, though he should still get returned). Bettison probably does enough to stay on (she ought to know how to with her background) though Douglas East is always hard to call. Edge and Callister are both higher profile but not always positively and could be vulnerable to strong opponents. Caine perhaps similar, though I suspect all three 'work' their constituencies fairly well and may be safer than some. Hooper strikes me as hard-working and I assume that also applies in Ramsey and should be enough to keep him in. Watterson got some criticism for taking the easier job of the Speaker rather than becoming a Minister, but should still be re-elected. Thomas is probably OK despite similar feelings that he is not using his full talents in taking a job with no real powers. Allinson should be very safe and the Abortion Bill proved that he is capable of getting things done, even when opposed by the current inertia of government. But it's all early days and voters will try to choose the least-worst option, so we won't have a proper idea until nominations go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Quirkio is very active on Manx Radio phone ins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Quirkio is very active on Manx Radio phone ins You omitted the word sadly from the start of that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Perhaps he wants a job as a presenter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: But it's all early days and voters will try to choose the least-worst option, so we won't have a proper idea until nominations go in. I would be surprised if Beecroft, Quayle, Robertshaw or Malarkey stand again. Quayle has been pretty clear on the issue in the past too that he was very unlikely to. So there should be a few fresh candidates in those seats. That said I think candidates have to stand if they want to qualify for the 6 months resettlement grant or whatever it’s called. Basically 6 months pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Will Rogers summed it up perfectly "Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 So, will any of you be standing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: So, will any of you be standing? Why would you. To achieve anything you would have to ensure you were amongst 24 like minded candidates all working towards the same end. I’ll leave it here. When they all come calling for your votes, produce their last manifesto and go through it with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Rushen Spy said: So, will any of you be standing? No, but unlike you, I will be voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushen Spy Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 hours ago, dilligaf said: No, but unlike you, I will be voting What an odd comment. .Why would I not be voting? I always vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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