On The Bus Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 In the same vein, why can't the heritage railways be farmed off to volunteers? £7.5m a year they lose. How much of that is in management salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, bankerboy said: Giggleberrys, help me out - where does it say that? I see that section 3.3 mentions “ payroll costs account for around two thirds of overall expenditure, which is relatively high. This may result, to some degree, from the difficulty of recruiting to some of the more skilled positions such as Air Traffic Control and Rescue & Firefighting Services, requiring relatively high rates of pay. However, the historical rates and allowances applicable to Government employees have also been and continue to be relatively generous compared to the norms in the commercial airport sector.” Section 6.23 adds that “Allowing for the premium that may have to be paid to recruit to specialist or skilled jobs on the island, the basic rates of pay do not seem excessive. However, it is notable from this analysis that on-costs are quite high, in some cases almost doubling the basic pay rates. These on-costs include what is referred to as ‘overtime’, which we understand is defined as including shift working premiums, weekend and bank holidays premiums, first aid payments, as well as additional hours worked.” Most of the relevant numbers have been redacted but my reading of the above is that base salaries attract a premium, possibly due to the limited universe of candidates, but perhaps not excessively. However, overtime and other add-ons are out of line and overall, ‘rates and allowances’ are ‘relatively generous compared to the norms in the commercial airport sector”. It's quite an interesting report isn't it? I was struck by the same thing with regard to ATC and Fire Service (RFFS). It's fairly clear that the amounts paid to these staff are higher than elsewhere, because of supplementary payments, though they can't really say if it is necessary. You can see the case for ATC perhaps, less so for RFFS who seem mainly to be recruited and trained locally. It's also notable that the number of RFFS staff is higher than at comparison airports (6.26) despite the higher overtime charges, which you would think would hint at under-staffing, though as the report says it's difficult to say definitely it is too high because of local circumstances. Indeed a theme of the report is just how difficult it is to get reliable figures about the Airport, something they highlight in the Executive Summary (p 34 of pdf) Quote 5. Our analysis revealed that there is a lack of transparency of financial information relating to the Airport at present, which is partly due to the way the Airport is treated as a cost centre within Government. One of the key issues is the way in which the Airport is provided with centralised shared services, such as IT and HR, which are not accurately costed or allocated to the Airport. Another issue arises from the merger of the Airport with Harbours into a single Ports Division, which necessitates an estimated allocation of costs that are shared between the two. 6. This current situation makes it difficult to establish the true trading position of the Airport and, by implication, makes it hard for management to properly manage costs, which of itself creates a disincentive to improving performance, given the extent to which costs are not within the control of management. 7. The best estimate that we have been able to make of the Airport’s current trading position is a current trading deficit of around £3.7m. Of course it's not helped by the usual Manx Civil Service obsession with redacting anything that might be embarrassing, even when the information is public, readily available elsewhere or even calculable from other data on the very same page. One would like to know what para 6.30 said though (it is completely blanked out). Presumably there is a section of airport employees the reason for whose employment was so inexplicable that the public must never be allowed to know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Max Power said: I jest not. So which airline will offer this service, from when, with what frequency and at what cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Uhtred said: So which airline will offer this service, from when, with what frequency and at what cost? Silver city airways, twice a day, 10 quid each way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 8:17 PM, Giggleberrys said: Interestingly if you read the report, it basically says that ATC and the Fire Service are manned correctly, paid correctly and work well. The main areas of concern are the Aviation Security dept which I think is already being dealt with and also the entire airports overtime bill. Maybe if Easyjet weren't late pretty much everyday then that would sort the overtime too? The risk for ATC staff is that you could run everything bar the approach from Liverpool. They already do this for Finningley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: A380s. Stopovers from Dubai. The runway extension sees use at last. All to be recorded as visitors too. Happy days. Let me know the day someone tries to get an A380 in. they might just manage, but it won’t be going out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Just now, Derek Flint said: Let me know the day someone tries to get an A380 in. they might just manage, but it won’t be going out! Would be dug in in Colby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: One would like to know what para 6.30 said though (it is completely blanked out). Presumably there is a section of airport employees the reason for whose employment was so inexplicable that the public must never be allowed to know about it. Ms Reynolds and the upper management tiers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: I believe that there was a bit of a Police exodus recently to Airport Fire Service positions, I know one and I'm sure Derek Flint has alluded to it on here in the recent past...? We lost several good cops to the airport FRS, which I think perhaps said more about the cops than the attractiveness of their new job. ive never understood why FRS isn’t integrated in the main service, and rotated. Adds for more experience, opportunities etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Let me know the day someone tries to get an A380 in. they might just manage, but it won’t be going out! Something similar happened back in the 90's, some direct flight charter plane landed here and ended up being near gutted before it could take off again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, finlo said: Silver city airways, twice a day, 10 quid each way. Showing your age there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, MrPB said: They must really love handing out parking tickets. But then again maybe in your 50s it’s a breeze doing next to nothing for £45k a year plus a pension you got for leaving the police force. The chap I know who jumped ship was nowhere near pensionable age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: 25 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: One would like to know what para 6.30 said though (it is completely blanked out). Presumably there is a section of airport employees the reason for whose employment was so inexplicable that the public must never be allowed to know about it. Ms Reynolds and the upper management tiers? You may say that - I couldn't possibly comment. From context it clearly does relate to some section of staffing and most of the other obvious sections seem to be covered elsewhere. It does say elsewhere (section 6.28) that the official numbers in management and admin look low compared to other airports, but that is because so many functions are handled centrally (by the Cabinet Office for example) and not then costed out to other Departments - itself an interesting reflection on the general amateurishness and lack of normal accounting practice in government. There does seem to be some confusion here between the destination of Derek's defecting police officers. He seems to be saying that they went to the Rescue and Firefighting Services (RFFS - I have no idea if that acronym is significant) which you would expect to require younger officers, but some people are mistaking this for what the report calls 'Airport Port Security: Quote 6.29 However, one potential area in which changes may be possible is the ‘Airport Port Security’ section, which we understand consists of 4 Airport Duty Supervisors and 13 Aviation Security Officers. This is an in-house function that does not undertake any passenger screening (which is contracted out), but rather deals with aviation site security, access control, CCTV monitoring, and a range of other security and ancillary duties. A full review of these duties and the way in which resources are deployed to meet the requirement is beyond the scope of this study but may be worthwhile to see whether any functions could be merged with or transferred to the existing security contractor. As far as I can tell this means that in depth research carried out by York Aviation doesn't extend as far as Wikipedia as this appears to be that strange anomaly the Isle of Man Airport Police (whose page has been recently updated) whose possible redundancy has already been discussed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giggleberrys Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Derek Flint said: The risk for ATC staff is that you could run everything bar the approach from Liverpool. They already do this for Finningley. Or maybe....just maybe the IOMG will see an opportunity to bring other airport towers to be run remotely from here to make a few quid. Some of the highlands and islands perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 13 hours ago, MrPB said: They must really love handing out parking tickets. But then again maybe in your 50s it’s a breeze doing next to nothing for £45k a year plus a pension you got for leaving the police force. Only one I recall went to the airport police, probably 15 years ago. The rest went to the fire trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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