Derek Flint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Neil Down said: Could the police be issued with blunderbusses and take out said speeding vehicle... Joking apart, firing at or from a moving vehicle is not actually off limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Joking apart, firing at or from a moving vehicle is not actually off limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Taylor Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 If everythng should be ran to the same standards as the rest of the UK the why not the internal rank structure. Its all well and good to have risk assessments and equipment in place but it falls down when the person making the decisions is qualified through a purely manx system and may not be (and probably isnt) to the standard of the rest of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Derek Flint said: It happens - or could happen a lot more than is at first obvious. Up until now the only tactical option available was.. i will leave you to work that one out. Suffice it to say we have been lucky up until Are there the staff ? 1 car chasing and thats the shift taken up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Rob Taylor said: If everythng should be ran to the same standards as the rest of the UK the why not the internal rank structure. Its all well and good to have risk assessments and equipment in place but it falls down when the person making the decisions is qualified through a purely manx system and may not be (and probably isnt) to the standard of the rest of the UK. and again in English... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Rob Taylor said: If everythng should be ran to the same standards as the rest of the UK the why not the internal rank structure. Its all well and good to have risk assessments and equipment in place but it falls down when the person making the decisions is qualified through a purely manx system and may not be (and probably isnt) to the standard of the rest of the UK. The commanders are occupationally and operationally accredited to the same UK standard, overseen by UK approved training centres. A ‘Manx’ system doesn’t cut it for this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Derek Flint said: At the simplest level because we have a Human Rights Act. Areas where there is a high risk to life, such as armed policing, custody and roads policing are examples where the highest standards are absolutely non-negotiable And if there were civil proceedings by a (allegedly) ‘wronged’ individual, the Manx courts would find English precedent ‘persuasive’. The local cops cannot do their own thing. Derek is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Uhtred said: And if there were civil proceedings by a (allegedly) ‘wronged’ individual, the Manx courts would find English precedent ‘persuasive’. The local cops cannot do their own thing. Derek is right. Moreso - a lot of authorized professional practice is embedded in health and safety, so It could quite easily result in proceedings being raised there too. Things are a lot better than when I transferred 20 years ago and are getting better all the time. I have to say a lot of it has been borne of the sheer bloody mindedness of practitioners at the sharp end than any strategic leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 54 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: The commanders are occupationally and operationally accredited to the same UK standard, overseen by UK approved training centres. A ‘Manx’ system doesn’t cut it for this stuff Not sure how to take that remark. I am sure we don’t always need to function like the English bobbies. Pretty sure we don’t need such things as stingers either.There was nothing wrong with the Manx way of policing before the influx of English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 hours ago, WTF said: When was the last police chase? Maybe the twat that ended up killing that poor lady down Tholty. Stingers would not have helped at all as he just legged it and left the Police wanting by all accounts. Should never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 What was so funny Andy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, dilligaf said: What was so funny Andy ? Possibly that you are naive enough to think that “Manx Police” don’t need further training or could benefit from the English counterparts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Possibly that you are naive enough to think that “Manx Police” don’t need further training or could benefit from the English counterparts Thanks for that We should be more “Heartbeat” than “ Miami Vice” What do you propose next, guns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, dilligaf said: Thanks for that We should be more “Heartbeat” than “ Miami Vice” What do you propose next, guns ? They already have them dilli, do keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Neil Down said: They already have them dilli, do keep up So we allow the scum druggies, thugs and thieves to live here. We give them benefits and house them and they continue to fuck our society over. We then ,it seems have to adopt the UK way of dealing with said scum. Why not boot the scum out and get back to reality. What we have here now is not what reality should be. I was born here as were thousands of others. Pretty sure most of us don’t want the way things are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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