IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Neil Down]

5 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Why is that?  Of the now 7 known coronaviruses to infect humans, 4 cause a common cold - nobody's going to bother developing a vaccine for that - and SARS and MERS seemed to disappear before they'd really got going.  I don't think there's any inherent reason why a vaccine can't be made against a coronavirus - I'm pretty confident we'll have one available in the next few months.  How well it works is another matter.

I think you are clutching at straws there Wrighty lad

[Cambon]

13 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Why is that?  Of the now 7 known coronaviruses to infect humans, 4 cause a common cold - nobody's going to bother developing a vaccine for that - and SARS and MERS seemed to disappear before they'd really got going.  I don't think there's any inherent reason why a vaccine can't be made against a coronavirus - I'm pretty confident we'll have one available in the next few months.  How well it works is another matter.

Scientists are already saying that any vaccination will only potentially protect forva few months before it clears the body. On top of that, the way the virus mutates makes it (at least historically) too difficult to protect / vaccinate against. 

[Banker]

7 hours ago, Cambon said:

Scientists are already saying that any vaccination will only potentially protect forva few months before it clears the body. On top of that, the way the virus mutates makes it (at least historically) too difficult to protect / vaccinate against. 

Perhaps you should be advising Howie instead of the medics we have as you know more! However a workable vaccine is expected in a few months with some including the Oxford one in final trials with encouraging results.

[360 View]

9 hours ago, wrighty said:

Why is that?  Of the now 7 known coronaviruses to infect humans, 4 cause a common cold - nobody's going to bother developing a vaccine for that - and SARS and MERS seemed to disappear before they'd really got going.  I don't think there's any inherent reason why a vaccine can't be made against a coronavirus - I'm pretty confident we'll have one available in the next few months.  How well it works is another matter.

An approved coronavirus vaccine may only end up being effective 50% of the time, the top US infectious diseases expert has warned.

The chances of a COVID-19 vaccine being almost 100% effective are "not great", Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said on Friday.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-vaccine-may-only-be-50-effective-us-disease-expert-fauci-warns-12044927

[wrighty]

9 hours ago, Neil Down said:

I think you are clutching at straws there Wrighty lad

Highlight my next sentence as well Neil. We will have a vaccine, it may only be partly and temporarily effective, but there will be one. 

[WTF]

9 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Highlight my next sentence as well Neil. We will have a vaccine, it may only be partly and temporarily effective, but there will be one. 

 a chocolate fireguard of a vaccine then ?  at great expense of course.

[pongo]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

 a chocolate fireguard of a vaccine then ?  at great expense of course.

I'm not an expert like @wrighty. Probably he can explain this better.

But my understanding is that a vaccine does not have to be either 100% or permenant in order to be a very valuable and effective weapon if the goal is to eliminate the virus and return to normal.

Understanding that there is an important difference between eradication and elimination.

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The eradication of a disease is permanent and global, while the elimination of a disease is an achievement restricted to a specific geographic area.

https://ourworldindata.org/eradication-of-diseases#:~:text=Eradication means that intervention measures,in a defined geographic area.

Edited August 8, 2020 by pongo

[wrighty]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

 a chocolate fireguard of a vaccine then ?  at great expense of course.

The flu vaccine is given every year to vulnerable groups, health workers etc. It’s neither permanent nor 100% effective, but the evidence is that generally it helps and is cost effective. 
 

I suspect a covid vaccine will be similar. 

[Debbie]

23 hours ago, wrighty said:

Why four times a week? I try to go as infrequently as possible (managed to not go at all over lockdown)

 

23 hours ago, piebaps said:

If they're English its easy - they're the ones moaning all the fucking time and telling us how things should be done.

And in more general terms, newcomers aren't bothered about driving"all the way to Peel" on a Sunday afternoon.

 

On 8/7/2020 at 10:52 AM, Banker said:

Perhaps she was spotted in tescos by Debbie as just moving to island ?

 

23 hours ago, Banker said:

So she can spot any newcomers to the island 

 

If they look like Chinese and can’t find their way around the aisles; good bet they are newcomers. Also, those who hang about in groups as an exploratory expedition… newcomers as well. Normally, you would think about tourists; but we know tourists are still disallowed. Well established shoppers are instead kind of businesslike. I don’t pretend that you can always tell the difference; but often you can.

I stop at Tesco on my way back to the office; and I go to the office four times a week. I kept pretty much this routine during the lockdown months. Can’t stay locked-down at home for too long. Better to be exposed to the virus than ending up as a spinster. Does it make sense to you now?

 

[finlo]

15 minutes ago, Debbie said:

 

 

 

 

If they look like Chinese and can’t find their way around the aisles; good bet they are newcomers. Also, those who hang about in groups as an exploratory expedition… newcomers as well. Normally, you would think about tourists; but we know tourists are still disallowed. Well established shoppers are instead kind of businesslike. I don’t pretend that you can always tell the difference; but often you can.

I stop at Tesco on my way back to the office; and I go to the office four times a week. I kept pretty much this routine during the lockdown months. Can’t stay locked-down at home for too long. Better to be exposed to the virus than ending up as a spinster. Does it make sense to you now?

 

You're looking for a bunk up in Tesco's?

[Non-Believer]

More chance during the Supamanx Bank Holiday now planned for the end of the month....400 hairy bikers lapping the TT course 

[TheTeapot]

24 minutes ago, Debbie said:

. Can’t stay locked-down at home for too long. Better to be exposed to the virus than ending up as a spinster. Does it make sense to you now?

 

Is Tesco the modern equivalent of a pick up bar?

[wrighty]

Just now, TheTeapot said:

Is Tesco the modern equivalent of a pick up bar?

I’m sure there’s been a thread on this before. It’s only on certain days, and you signal your availability by what you put in your trolley.  Bunch of bananas and a couple of plums I think it was. 

[the stinking enigma]

13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Is Tesco the modern equivalent of a pick up bar?

Yes

[Escape Artist]

While using the “air-bridge” between Guernsey and the Isle of Man one has full access to emergency medical services:

“No charge will be levied to a Guernsey resident visiting the Isle of Man who requires treatment in their Emergency Department and no charge will be levied to an Isle of Man resident required Emergency Department care whilst they are visiting Guernsey. As well, the agreement covers air ambulance transfer from the Isle of Man and Guernsey to the United Kingdom, should a patient need specialist off-island care.”

Peace of mind if anyone uses the air-bridge for holidays or whatever. Most people have experienced the government’s Covid response as a set of limitation to their lives. This is an exception at the least.

It begs the question of why the two government felt the need of this arrangement at this time. Perhaps because of the risk that one might not be able to travel back as easily as it would be in more normal circumstances.