IOM Covid removing restrictions

[TheTeapot]

There are two main groups of people still stuck on covid. The antivax loonies who all thought it was a scam to control you and think everyone jabbed is the walking dead, and the other loonies committed to the idea that covid is airborne AIDS and want everyone to wear masks for the rest of their lives.

Both groups are obviously completely mental.

 

[WTF]

1 hour ago, newaccount said:

Please lock this thread it serves no purpose

piss off ashie

[wrighty]

20 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

There are two main groups of people still stuck on covid. The antivax loonies who all thought it was a scam to control you and think everyone jabbed is the walking dead, and the other loonies committed to the idea that covid is airborne AIDS and want everyone to wear masks for the rest of their lives.

Both groups are obviously completely mental.

 

Fair point, but both ends of the spectrum represent a tiny portion of the population. Most of us had our vaccines (at least initially) and are getting on with life not worrying about covid at all. 

[Roger Mexico]

21 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

There are two main groups of people still stuck on covid. The antivax loonies who all thought it was a scam to control you and think everyone jabbed is the walking dead, and the other loonies committed to the idea that covid is airborne AIDS and want everyone to wear masks for the rest of their lives.

Both groups are obviously completely mental.

On the whole the anti-vaxxers were already there before Covid, with all the same irrational arguments.  They're just a lot angrier because Covid vaccination was such a success in saving lives and rather than admit they were wrong they have cranked everything up to 11.

I suspect you misunderstand the reasons of many mask-wearers and so on.  I do see more people wearing masks, but they're not always the same people and I suspect it's as much due to people not wanting to pass on infections they have at the moment or avoid additional infections when already vulnerable.  And many of those who are still cautious about infection are those who are genuinely vulnerable with auto-immune conditions or similar. 

On the whole those who are still taking precautions are those who have good reason and are doing so proportionately and only when it will make a difference.  If Covid did anything it made people more conscious of the sort of sensible steps to take in certain circumstances, such as you tend to see in places like Japan.

Of course there are extremely vocal people on both sides on social media, but social media tends to amplify extreme views rather than common views.  And many of the most insistent (even ignoring the obvious grifters) seem to be motivated by attention-seeking as much as anything.  

[ricardo]

On 1/24/2024 at 11:49 AM, wrighty said:

Fair point, but both ends of the spectrum represent a tiny portion of the population. Most of us had our vaccines (at least initially) and are getting on with life not worrying about covid at all. 

The stats suggest 75% of the global population chose the vaccines and 25% did not. Most of the 2nd group were not previously 'anti vax' but made choices in light of facts, rather than the relentless government and media vaccine 'propaganda'. Which appeared to many - some of whom succumbed and are now regretting doing so - to be pushing an agenda.  Many of this large minority, and many who chose to get the jab, continue to have serious concerns about the mechanisms that were put in place to foist that agenda upon us all. More than 600 Manx people attended advocate Ian Kermode's talk at the Villa Marina, which was largely about the infringements on our freedoms that took place during 2020/1. Mechanisms that remain in place. Which is why there will be no 'moving on'.

The suggestion such a large minority is 'mental' shows a limited grasp of reality. And a worrying dismissal of freedom of choice, and informed consent.

Edited January 25 by ricardo

[ricardo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/25/covid-inquiry-bbc-misrepresented-risk-pandemic

 

[ricardo]

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q62

The British Medical Journal now reporting that deaths of women during, or immediately following pregnancy, have risen from 8.79 per 100k to 13.41 per 100k.

What could possibly be causing this one might wonder?

[slinkydevil]

34 minutes ago, ricardo said:

What could possibly be causing this one might wonder?

Chemtrails.

[Blade Runner]

51 minutes ago, ricardo said:

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q62

The British Medical Journal now reporting that deaths of women during, or immediately following pregnancy, have risen from 8.79 per 100k to 13.41 per 100k.

What could possibly be causing this one might wonder?

More wagon drivers post covid?

[Roger Mexico]

46 minutes ago, ricardo said:

https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q62

The British Medical Journal now reporting that deaths of women during, or immediately following pregnancy, have risen from 8.79 per 100k to 13.41 per 100k.

What could possibly be causing this one might wonder?

As you will have noticed the paper discussed deaths in pregnancy between 2020 and 2022.  Can you remember if there were any health problems in that period?

There has been an increase in maternal mortality in the UK in the latest decade anyway, because of declining NHS funding and staff shortages.  But from early on there was clearly a problem with pregnant women in the later stages of pregnancy being seriously affected with Covid, ending up in ITU or worse.  (You could pick this up in the figures as early as April 2020).  There was the story of of one such sufferer in the Guardian only yesterday, though mercifully both she and her twins who had to be delivered very early survived.  I suspect many of the excess deaths were in 2020 before vaccination became available.

But even when vaccination became available it wasn't recommended for pregnant women till April 2021 and they weren't given any priority before that or even then.  So more will have died unvaccinated.  See this discussion between myself and wrighty in August 2021 where he reported hearing of a UK "Maternity unit - 4 patients on ventilators with covid. All had to be delivered early. At least one going for withdrawal of treatment imminently. All unvaxxed".   Even when vaccines became available, there was a reluctance to administer in some cases because of the superstitious dread that the anti-vaccine lobby had been spreading (this was not restricted to the UK judging by a comment of the Guardian article).

So "What could possibly be causing this one"?  Well in part idiots like you.

[Jarndyce]

On 1/25/2024 at 4:05 PM, ricardo said:

Most of the 2nd group were not previously 'anti vax' but made choices in light of facts, rather than the relentless government and media vaccine 'propaganda

So anti-vax information is fact, and government/media information is propaganda?   Except when it’s the other way round?   Who gets to decide?

And down we go again.

[TheTeapot]

Anyone with a genuine interest in the effects of covid infections and vaccinations on pregnant women and newborns would already have been paying attention to this person

 

[ricardo]

On 1/24/2024 at 1:50 PM, Roger Mexico said:

On the whole the anti-vaxxers were already there before Covid, with all the same irrational arguments.  They're just a lot angrier because Covid vaccination was such a success in saving lives and rather than admit they were wrong they have cranked everything up to 11.

I suspect you misunderstand the reasons of many mask-wearers and so on.  I do see more people wearing masks, but they're not always the same people and I suspect it's as much due to people not wanting to pass on infections they have at the moment or avoid additional infections when already vulnerable.  And many of those who are still cautious about infection are those who are genuinely vulnerable with auto-immune conditions or similar. 

On the whole those who are still taking precautions are those who have good reason and are doing so proportionately and only when it will make a difference.  If Covid did anything it made people more conscious of the sort of sensible steps to take in certain circumstances, such as you tend to see in places like Japan.

Of course there are extremely vocal people on both sides on social media, but social media tends to amplify extreme views rather than common views.  And many of the most insistent (even ignoring the obvious grifters) seem to be motivated by attention-seeking as much as anything.  

It is clear one can take various aspects of the evidence and make of it what one wishes. The phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’ has been used multiple times on this forum - it cuts both ways.

It is true that my own belief - shared by increasing millions around the World, based on much compelling evidence - is that the entire covid story was a scam, ie; was ‘flu rebranded. People die from ‘flu, especially if they are helped along with grotesque respiratory drugs.

Such a belief, particularly when viewed by those who don’t share it, may appear idiocy but I haven’t called you an ‘idiot’ just because I don’t share your views.

In 1963 the US president was shot dead in front of 000’s of people and cameras. He appeared to be hit multiple times. Subsequently, learned people such as yourself postulated detailed theories about ‘angles of trajectory’ and ‘bouncing bullets’ to justify the preposterous narrative that a lone gunman in a book depository was responsible. But we all know the CIA did it (or at least, 50% of US citizens still do).

In 2001 similar learned experts told us that a bearded man in a cave orchestrated multiple planes to cause the collapse of three skyscrapers in New York, despite there being no incidence in history of fire or plane damage destroying tall buildings. They even preposterously ‘found’ hijacker passports in the street to support their theory.

In 2020 almost every government in the World miraculously decided that ‘lockdown’ was the only solution for a virus with a 99.99% survival rate. Exceptions were Sweden - a government that actually appears to care about the well-being of its’ citizens - and Tanzania, whose president called BS on covid, then suddenly and mysteriously died. No government advocated fresh air, exercise and good nutrition - just masks, lockdowns and deeply questionable drugs. Funny that..

Edited January 28 by ricardo

[wrighty]

1 hour ago, ricardo said:

It is clear one can take various aspects of the evidence and make of it what one wishes. The phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’ has been used multiple times on this forum - it cuts both ways.

It is true that my own belief - shared by increasing millions around the World, based on much compelling evidence - is that the entire covid story was a scam, ie; was ‘flu rebranded. People die from ‘flu, especially if they are helped along with grotesque respiratory drugs.

Such a belief, particularly when viewed by those who don’t share it, may appear idiocy but I haven’t called you an ‘idiot’ just because I don’t share your views.

In 1963 the US president was shot dead in front of 000’s of people and cameras. He appeared to be hit multiple times. Subsequently, learned people such as yourself postulated detailed theories about ‘angles of trajectory’ and ‘bouncing bullets’ to justify the preposterous narrative that a lone gunman in a book depository was responsible. But we all know the CIA did it (or at least, 50% of US citizens still do).

In 2001 similar learned experts told us that a bearded man in a cave orchestrated multiple planes to cause the collapse of three skyscrapers in New York, despite there being no incidence in history of fire or plane damage destroying tall buildings. They even preposterously ‘found’ hijacker passports in the street to support their theory.

In 2020 almost every government in the World miraculously decided that ‘lockdown’ was the only solution for a virus with a 99.99% survival rate. Exceptions were Sweden - a government that actually appears to care about the well-being of its’ citizens - and Tanzania, whose president called BS on covid, then suddenly and mysteriously died. No government advocated fresh air, exercise and good nutrition - just masks, lockdowns and deeply questionable drugs. Funny that..

OK, so why? What’s the aim of the illuminati, or the lizard people, or whoever you think organises and covers up these multiple global conspiracies? 

[loaf]

It's all driven from some baseline delusions, no? Some hidden 'they' are poisoning us, want to control us, want to track us, - all to appeal to a paranoid mindset.