Organ Donation - Yes unless it's a No, No.

[WTF]

Just now, wrighty said:

A kidney transplant is cheaper than a lifetime of dialysis.

how long do transplants last, and what is the cost of all the anti rejection drugs etc over the lifespan of the transplant ?

[wrighty]

1 minute ago, WTF said:

how long do transplants last, and what is the cost of all the anti rejection drugs etc over the lifespan of the transplant ?

Do your own research.  I just made that up, but it's right.

[WTF]

a doctor making things up, who'd have guessed.

[2112]

Adding my two pennerth to this subject, there are some faiths which object to organ donation and the desecration of the body after death. Namely the Jewish and the Muslim faiths, but some of those faiths do carry an organ donor card. There may be other faiths or cultures which may object to opt in.

[pongo]

8 minutes ago, 2112 said:

there are some faiths which object to organ donation

Their ideas should not be taken into account. Well certainly no more so than, say, people who believe in faeries or hear voices in their head. It's the same.

[dilligaf]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

a doctor making things up, who'd have guessed.

A consultant surgeon 

[Apple]

1 hour ago, wrighty said:

A lot of nonsense in this thread, as usual.

Most organ donors are patients with head injuries or catastrophic brain haemorrhages.  They're 'alive', as in their heart is beating, but on ITU on a ventilator.  Their brain is dead.  There are established tests for this, and they have to be carried out twice, at separate times, with more than one doctor involved, and there has to be no sedative drugs going etc.  It's all very tightly regulated.

Organs are harvested by a visiting team from the UK, usually in the evening or at weekends, with a separate theatre team.  Transplant surgery is highly specialised, and not something we do on island.  None of the IOM surgeons are involved.

Personally I think 'opt out' is the right way to go.  Rational people don't believe their bits are required after death, and relatives are usually comforted that their loved one's death is not completely pointless and a few people have been given life because of it.

Count me in.

Happy to count you in Mr Wright, That is your personal prerogative and presumably you are not representing the view of the Manx NHS.

However to call others opinions as nonsense is not appropriate. To accuse other people's beliefs is also inappropriate given your self admitted position ion the health service. If you have a different opinion that is fine but I do not think anyone has the definitive answer here. 

I know about the harvesting teams. No problems there.

Lets face it Mr Wright they can't even appoint the right people to the right posts these days. I gather nepotism is still the considered way forward in Nobles but I think you may know more on that than me? 

In my opinion Nobles is currently a serious cause for concern and Manx Care will not solve the myriad of problems there. More transparency is needed and only then by acknowledging the problems in an open manner can potential solutions be determined. Public engagement in this is essential. Too much secrecy, kept away from public scrutiny as deemed "Confidential". Rubbish. We pay for the services and are entitled to know its success and faults. We pay out too much in compensation not to.

We can do a lot better.

 

 

 

 

[Apple]

30 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

A consultant surgeon 

They are all Gods didn't you know.

Rushing down the corridors with their "team's" trailing in their wind., hanging onto their every word. Guess what - they make mistakes too (but we aren't allowed to know that).

[pongo]

@Apple- are your one of those people who sometimes dismisses science as just one point of view ?

[HeliX]

It's really important to me that my organs rot in the ground with the rest of me instead of potentially granting life to someone else.

[ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat]

I'd opt out of both if that was an option. 

[dilligaf]

15 minutes ago, Apple said:

They are all Gods didn't you know.

Rushing down the corridors with their "team's" trailing in their wind., hanging onto their every word. Guess what - they make mistakes too (but we aren't allowed to know that).

Well that one gave me a new hip that I am grateful for. Call him what you want.

[ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat]

2 hours ago, wrighty said:

Most organ donors are patients with head injuries or catastrophic brain haemorrhages.  They're 'alive', as in their heart is beating, but on ITU on a ventilator.  Their brain is dead.  There are established tests for this, and they have to be carried out twice, at separate times, with more than one doctor involved, and there has to be no sedative drugs going etc.  It's all very tightly regulated.

Do we have figures on how many people have been wrongly classified as "brain dead" but have recovered? I have read a lot of OBE (out of body) cases where they claimed the patient was brain dead, but the patient could see themselves from outside of their body and then saw themselves return to their body, able to then recollect events and conversations, or even remember events happening in different rooms, even though they were considered dead at the time. Whether the OBE phenomenon is real or not is beside the point, my question is: even if they are hallucinating this experience, as the brain is manufacturing it, doesn't that bring into question the 100% accuracy of being classed as "dead" or "brain dead" in hospitals? I think there's no such thing as 100% in this. Surely you would concede it could only ever be something like 99% at most.

[the stinking enigma]

Unfortunately I have already promised my brain to my second cousin but all other parts can be considered available to the general public. The only proviso being that the successful recipient must also wear my ears .This is in the hope my friends might still recognise me in the street.

[Apple]

 

8 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Well that one gave me a new hip that I am grateful for. Call him what you want.

Glad to hear that. Many others say the same. I have no specific grudge against anyone. They are human, they have their views and they earn a hell of a lot of money doing a job, just like some of the rest of us. Nothing special.

One even saved my life. We have had some good ones and believe me some not so good. Who appoints them do you reckon then? Who mentioned the psychiatrist?