Declan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: What proportion of the vote did Shimmins get then? Shimmins got 1357, so marginally better ... Number of voters in Middle - 4,445 Number voting in Middle - 2,307 Number voting for Shimmins - 1357 Percentage of vote - 59% (1357 / 2,307) Percentage of people who could have voted - 30.5% (1357/4,445) Edited January 27, 2021 by Declan Corrected Quayle to Shimmins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: I suppose the 14% is derived from the fact that there are 8890 potential votes and he only got 1205. Is it possible to vote for the same person twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, John Wright said: I suppose the 14% is derived from the fact that there are 8890 potential votes and he only got 1205. Yes, well they way they arrived at was - 30% of the vote with a 52% = 14% But even the most popular candidate ever, one getting everybody to turn out and vote for him would only get 50% on that calculation. Edited January 28, 2021 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Never trust a statistic that you haven't made up yourself! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris C said: Is it possible to vote for the same person twice? No, well not on the same ballot paper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 In fact, I think, the only person to get over 50% of the electorate voting for him was Dr Allinson - 2946 out of a possible 5,726 = 51% Source: https://www.manxradio.com/election-2016/results-2016-folder/keys-2016-ramsey-results-sec/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Declan said: Shimmins got 1357, so marginally better ... Number of voters in Middle - 4,445 Number voting in Middle - 2,307 Number voting for Quayle - 1357 Percentage of vote - 59% (1357 / 2,307) Percentage of people who could have voted - 30.5% (1357/4,445) You've got them both on the same number of votes, unless you're suggesting Shimmins got 1357 votes but Quayle had 1357 people voting for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, SleepyJoe said: You've got them both on the same number of votes, unless you're suggesting Shimmins got 1357 votes but Quayle had 1357 people voting for him Now I'm confusing myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Chris C said: Is it possible to vote for the same person twice? B..B..Buster...Buster is that you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: You've got them both on the same number of votes, unless you're suggesting Shimmins got 1357 votes but Quayle had 1357 people voting for him Yeah forgot to change Quayle to Shimmin when I cut and pasted. But you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I was confusing myself by wondering for a moment whether if you have two votes whether could exercise them both in favour of one candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Barlow said: And what's the betting that Rob Callister romps home in at the polls in November? Of course he will because he keeps his constituents informed and responds to them saying he will try to help. Now regardless of whether he has been good or bad people want to feel as though they are being listened to and rob converses with them. Usually you dont see candidates until it comes up to election again the then disappear for the next 5 years. I'm not going to comment on how well/poorly he has done as an mhk I'm just saying listening and updating people go a long way 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, thommo2010 said: Of course he will because he keeps his constituents informed and responds to them saying he will try to help. Now regardless of whether he has been good or bad people want to feel as though they are being listened to and rob converses with them. Usually you dont see candidates until it comes up to election again the then disappear for the next 5 years. I'm not going to comment on how well/poorly he has done as an mhk I'm just saying listening and updating people go a long way Doing something goes a bit further, Although the candidates canvassing on here who think politics is a family business or worth a try, go for it, get your income doubled, trebled and sit saying yay or nay accordingly. Rob C has made 60k a year writing and copying social media, if he can do it anyone can. I have a feeling the public expect nothing so will keep getting nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxtoffee Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Apple said: The Seven Nolan principles. Wasn’t aware of these principles - if only they were at the forefront of their minds a little more often! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, John Wright said: @Keiran Hannifin your sentencing policy is poorly thought out and contradictory. If we had what the public wanted ( how do we really meaningfully measure that ) then we’d still have the death penalty, birching, defenestration, rolling witches down Slieau Whallian, ducking stools, castration. To have the same sentence as the last one, presumes all offences, under an identical charge, have the same features, the same circumstances, the same damage or injury, and the offenders have the same characteristics and means to pay. Thats just not true. Every offence is individual and has its own set of aggravating and mitigating factors. Every offender is an individual and has their own set of aggravating and mitigating attributes. Sentencing is an art, not a science. However there are guidelines issued to all sentencers. They set out, offence by offence, the things to be taken into account, the starting point, the range, the additions for aggravating factors and the reductions for mitigating ones. You'd do well to look them up and gain an understanding. Sentencing isn’t random, or capricious. I think it might be more prudent to look at the current sentencing and see if there are areas that can be improved as opposed to "blanket sentencing" which is what seems to be being suggested here. There is definitely a lack of severity for certain crimes on this island and I do think that perhaps sex offences for example should carry a heftier and longer sentence than say shop lifting (which doesn't always seem to be the case). Perhaps the key to prevention and protection is a longer sentence for punishment, more enhanced rehabilitation whilst incarcerated and greater in the community support after release to monitor the offender. Perhaps all sex offenders have to spend a year on a gps tag for example after release and have multi weekly visits from a community specialist that checks up on them and their activities?. And have to attend a sexual harm prevention group or something on a weekly basis etc etc. Edited January 28, 2021 by Chie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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